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Microsoft announces purchase of 315k tonnes of CO2 removal

93 点作者 cdr_fyi超过 1 年前

15 条评论

ChrisArchitect超过 1 年前
Submitted a number of times recently, lots of discussion on this one yesterday:<p><i>Heirloom Carbon: Absorbing CO2 from the air using crushed rocks</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37435454">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37435454</a>
tiffanyg超过 1 年前
Ok, I was all ready to attack this as simply another dodge in the unceasing dodges every industry (&amp; corporation, especially) has ever used to &quot;externalize &#x27;costs&#x27;&quot;.* But, this involves <i>funding</i> development and use of an actual technology to actively remove CO2 from the atmosphere.<p>Not familiar w&#x2F; the company or details in that space at the moment, but I am aware of the <i>basic</i> principles** apparently being used here. So, this seems somewhat more than the usual lip service, which is good to see.<p>* Along the lines of wonderous marketing phrases like &quot;responsible corporate citizens&quot; (or &quot;stewardship&quot;) ... to replace actual concern for your community, one of the &quot;efficiencies&quot; brought to us by &#x27;professionalizing&#x27; business management in the form of &quot;MBAs&quot; &#x2F; burying real lives and consequences in Microsoft(R) Excel(TM) &quot;spreadsheets&quot;<p>** Punintentional ... bit oblique, but, some might enjoy
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danbruc超过 1 年前
What is the logic behind this carbon capture process? They repeatedly go through the lime cycle - calcium carbonate, calcium oxyd, calcium hydroxyd and back to calcium carbonate. We are producing millions of tons of calcium oxide per year anyway, would it not make more sense to just capture the carbon dioxide from that instead of going around in a loop?<p>Each cycle requires heating the calcium carbonate to almost 1000 °C in order to release the carbon dioxide and then you have a gas again, which you have to compress consuming even more energy and store somewhere. The calcium oxide that ends up in concrete would even permanently fixate the same amount of carbon dioxide as released during its production.<p>And that for 35 billion tons per year just to keep the carbon dioxide concentration constant before we can even start to actually take any carbon out of the atmosphere. Would it not make much more sense to use all that energy, which has to come from renewable sources, to replace some fossil energy?<p>And who will pay for this? Instead of burning X dollars of carbon and then paying probably roughly the same amount again to get the carbon pulled out of the atmosphere, would it not make more sense to just replace the fossil fuel with renewable energy. And sure, there are complications, availability, storage, and not all fossil fuels are easily replaceable with electricity.<p>And for scale, if you turn 35 billion tons of carbon dioxide into dry ice, then you haven to safety get rid of 22 cubic kilometers of that stuff each year. Global oil production was 5 cubic kilometers in 2022.
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jakeinspace超过 1 年前
I do like that they&#x27;re funding actual carbon sequestration. Obviously this isn&#x27;t a lot, it&#x27;s something like 1000 business class flights saved (I&#x27;m sure MS buys at least that many every day). Still, funding technology like this early can have an outsized effect.
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palata超过 1 年前
CO2 removal is bullshit. It&#x27;s an easy way to throw some money and buy themselves a conscience.<p>We need to consume less, that&#x27;s all. There is no silver bullet here.
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andrewstuart超过 1 年前
I wish I wasn&#x27;t so skeptical of paying for carbon offsets etc.<p>I&#x27;d do it if it was paying for trees and I actually believed that the payments results in more trees (which I am also skeptical about).
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rgmerk超过 1 年前
This has all been discussed before but...<p>For the vast majority of applications, it&#x27;s cheaper to not emit in the first place, or capture the emissions during whatever process releases it, than capturing from the air.<p>However, just the greenhouse gases that are already in the atmosphere are more than sufficient to cause unacceptable climate impacts, and it will take centuries to get back the pre-industrial climate. As such, we will almost certainly want to artificially remove CO2 from the atmosphere - go &quot;net negative&quot; rather than &quot;net zero&quot;.
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version_five超过 1 年前
How much would have been removed if they hadn&#x27;t purchased it?<p>Edit: it&#x27;s direct air capture, it&#x27;s not some shell game &quot;offset&quot; thing which is what I assumed, that&#x27;s actually very interesting.
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gabereiser超过 1 年前
Question to those in the know about this tech: Once captured, what do we do with all that CO2 saturated limestone?<p>From an article in late 2022, I found “Heirloom removes that CO2 by heating the limestone into a powder and stores the extracted CO2 underground” which leads me to believe this isn’t actually solving the problem, only sweeping it under the rug.
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nimish超过 1 年前
I wonder if it wouldn&#x27;t be simpler to just sponsor forests instead. Plants have already mastered solar powered carbon capture and sequestration, of course. There&#x27;s a lot of other positive externalities to increasing green cover in populated areas that this system unfortunately cannot replicate.
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nforgerit超过 1 年前
One tiny little piece to solve the problem of our very possible extinction.<p>On one hand, this is good since those technologies are in desperate need of funding and scaling on the other hand, make no mistake: They&#x27;re much too small and will need to improve from stone-age to modern age in just a few decades.<p>edit: typo
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rr808超过 1 年前
CO2 removal sounds like its a necessary process to reverse global warming. However at this stage its kinda dumb to try to extract CO2 into solid carbon when in nearly every country in the world is still burning coal producing CO2.
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imoverclocked超过 1 年前
I’m looking forward to seeing how we turn solar energy into captured carbon energy for resale. It’s carbon neutral, after all.
jycr753超过 1 年前
From what I remember that&#x27;s a major virtual signalling and quiet scamming.
ChrisArchitect超过 1 年前
[dupe]
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