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$2.70 supermarket wine wins gold medal at international wine contest

72 点作者 thyrox超过 1 年前

16 条评论

WheelsAtLarge超过 1 年前
A while back I spoke to a winemaker who told me that her job was to make a wine that would match any of the price winning wines for less than $40 a bottle. They would buy the wines that won, analyze and match the flavor profile anyway they had to. She would blend wines from different areas and come up with the best flavor she could.<p>Wine making is not what it used to be. At one time the difference between good wine and great wine was huge. Now with automation and know how it&#x27;s possible to have great tasting wine be inexpensive.<p>There&#x27;s also the situation where winemakers sell their excess wine to bottlers so it&#x27;s very possible that a great wine is sold cheaply simply because the wine maker needs to sell the excess inventory.<p>This situation where a very cheap wine wins a contest is not surprising. The big difference is that the flavor of a more expensive wine is more consistent than one you buy very cheaply.
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friend_and_foe超过 1 年前
So I make wine, and I do wine tastings and liquor tastings.<p>The first thing to know, unless you&#x27;re getting gut rot shit made from petroleum, is that all of it gets you drunk, which is what you&#x27;re after. Wine, beer and liquor are <i>lifestyle items.</i> If they sold you this stuff on it&#x27;s actual pitch you&#x27;d just grab the bottle closest to checkout and leave. So they have to differentiate themselves with lore, stories, stereotypes, whatever. But at the end of the day, it&#x27;s all booze. What&#x27;s the difference between a Jack Daniels drinker and a belvedere vodka drinker? How they view themselves, the type of person they want to portray themselves as and <i>the stories the ads for the bottles tell.</i> People will rationalize that they like it after thefact, and make all kinds of excuses to avoid admitting to themselves that it&#x27;s vanity and they want to be seen doing it. Made 100% sustainably by an ancient family recipe triple distilled in copper pots using geothermal heat from a volcano in Nicaragua, its all a bunch of bullshit. Just get what tastes good to you and forget about the noise.<p>I make wine, as a hobby. And I&#x27;ll tell you, I&#x27;d rather drink my simple as hell fruit wine than any of that smoky shit the cute girl at the grocery store tries to sell me with samples. The entire wine tasting world is a sham, I don&#x27;t mean most, all of it is a giant sham. And for those of you that do wine tastings and buy it, it&#x27;s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they&#x27;ve been fooled. <i>Just get what tastes good to you and forget about Tue noise.</i>
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BenjiWiebe超过 1 年前
Weird how they do it. We recently sent in some of our family farm cheese to a contest. The judges don&#x27;t know the name of the cheese or see the labels. They just taste (&#x2F;smell&#x2F;feel&#x2F;eyeball) the cheese and judge it. No judging of the back story.
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andirk超过 1 年前
To anyone who thinks even YOU, with no knowledge of wine, cannot tell bottom barrel gas station wine vs. wine made from experts who know what they&#x27;re doing is a joke. I have personally had my friends BLIND taste test my favorite wines (~$80-$150&#x2F;bottle) and garbage wine, and no one picks the garbage wine. Why? Because garbage wine doesn&#x27;t taste very good.<p>Yes, price points can be ridiculous. A $60 bottle can be better than $1,000 bottle EASILY, because a lot of it is name recognition, rarity, etc. and these medals means almost nothing. Look for brand, region, winemaker, etc. and you can repeat with success.<p>Disclaimer: I&#x27;m fine with cheap wine (~$20&#x2F;bottle) that&#x27;s good, and I buy it often. Just like I don&#x27;t eat at &quot;Michelin Star&quot; restaurants every day.
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themiddleupper超过 1 年前
This seems to have been a prank to prove the contest was asham But in much more &quot;authentic&quot; contest, what determines if a wine is better than another? Are they not just different taste and liking them or not is a person&#x27;s subjective opinion, similar to food preference?
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ameliaquining超过 1 年前
Re: the controversy about what&#x27;s really going on here, here&#x27;s an informal literature review from a writer I like: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;asteriskmag.com&#x2F;issues&#x2F;01&#x2F;is-wine-fake" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;asteriskmag.com&#x2F;issues&#x2F;01&#x2F;is-wine-fake</a>
rhaway84773超过 1 年前
This doesn’t seem like a particularly prestigious contest.<p>It seems the people doing the “prank” intended to show that a lot of these contests are not legitimate and just an opportunity for the organizers to make some money.<p>It would be interesting to see whether a legitimate contest that did blind taste tests would fall for such a trick.
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splonk超过 1 年前
Not to detract from the general point that most alcohol tasting medals are just marketing and not particularly scientific, but this article is kind of misleading.<p>In a lot of alcohol tasting competitions (including Gilbert &amp; Gaillard), the scale actually goes Double Gold, Gold, Silver, Bronze. A gold medal in itself doesn&#x27;t actually mean what you might think it should (i.e., best in class), it&#x27;s basically so you can sell stickers to put on bottles to fool buyers who don&#x27;t know the specifics of how these competitions are scored. Broadly, I would interpret Double Gold as &quot;might be good&quot;, Gold as &quot;might not suck&quot;, and Silver&#x2F;Bronze as &quot;probably pretty bad since they&#x27;re marketing their participation ribbons&quot;.<p>An example from the spirits world: the San Francisco Spirits Competition has a 119 page list of results with medals (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfspiritscomp.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2021&#x2F;05&#x2F;2020-sfwsc-results-by-class.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfspiritscomp.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2021&#x2F;05&#x2F;202...</a>). There&#x27;s maybe 1-2 Double Golds per page. GABF, the big beer festival, doesn&#x27;t award Double Golds, but their categories are specific enough that they awarded 100 Gold medals last year.<p>G&amp;G has this wine listed on their site 3 times. I&#x27;m not sure which one is accurate, but the scores are from 85-88. Here&#x27;s what wine-searcher (a big shopping portal&#x2F;aggregator for wine) says about the distribution of G&amp;G&#x27;s ratings:<p>&quot;Gilbert &amp; Gaillard&#x27;s wine scores on Wine-Searcher: Score range: 85 – 100 points 50% fall between: 86 – 90 points Average score: 88.5 points&quot;<p>So basically, they rated it as below average on a scale that inflates ratings to the point where almost everything is marketable.<p>Finally, according to G&amp;G&#x27;s rules, the wines are tasted blind. The article implies that they&#x27;re not, but doesn&#x27;t actually say it.<p>&quot;Prior to tasting, they [the wine samples] are placed in identical packaging that conceals their shape and guarantees anonymity.&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vigneron.gilbertgaillard.com&#x2F;ruleChallenge&#x2F;reglement-en.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vigneron.gilbertgaillard.com&#x2F;ruleChallenge&#x2F;reglement...</a><p>I know nothing about this specific competition, but there&#x27;s no real need to try to influence a nonblind judge given how the deck is already stacked.
matteoraso超过 1 年前
Wine tasting is a great example of how stats can mislead people. People hear that sommeliers can&#x27;t tell the difference between cheap wine and expensive wine, and come to the conclusion that sommeliers don&#x27;t know what they&#x27;re talking about. They aren&#x27;t trying to guess the price, though, they&#x27;re trying to explain and appraise the flavour. A better view of wine tasting is that high quality wines can be purchased at very good prices.
TradingPlaces超过 1 年前
Years ago, my wife and I went to a “make your own wine” thing in Napa. A few months later we had a blind tasting of our two wines, a $12 bottle of Kirkland Signature from Costco, and a $125 bottle. 6 tasters, and the unanimous result was for the Kirkland Signature.<p>If you’re in Napa, check out the wine making thing. It’s lots of fun. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.conncreek.com&#x2F;visit" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.conncreek.com&#x2F;visit</a>
LargoLasskhyfv超过 1 年前
So much talk, without <i>one</i> mention, of the &#x27;sonication of wine&#x27; (and spirits too!), the latest invention. I wonder why? Are you shy to confide, there is nothing to hide anymore? Except old-fashionedness. And distress, fear of loss and comfort-zone. The emperor, agein naked on the throne?
yumraj超过 1 年前
&gt; they decided to go with the cheapest and worst-tasting one they could find.<p>It’s interesting that one group found it worst tasting, while another found it exceptional. Looks like both suck, and maybe the wine was not the best but not the worst either.<p>Just like the judges were duped into awarding this wine, the first group also thought this was worst tasting because it was the cheapest.
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huksley超过 1 年前
I think the most reasonable is to go for the grape variety you like and the price point you can afford. Wine is a hobby by itself, you can drink 6 months Pinot Noir, then switch to Malbec, then switch to something else. Plus you can travel on the budget from Chile, Australia, France, USA, Italy...
nemoniac超过 1 年前
So what was the $2.70 bottle of wine that they chose? We&#x27;d all like to taste it!
HelixEndeavor超过 1 年前
Professional wine tasters are proven to be full of shit from top to bottom time and time again, and yet they still have careers, it&#x27;s still a very wealthy industry, and people still give them the time of day. Pretty wild.
ftxbro超过 1 年前
&gt; The organizers of this intriguing prank started out by enlisting the help of Eric Boschman, named Belgium’s best sommelier in 1988<p>OK so they got a famous and trusted sommelier to lie for their story. What does that prove?
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