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ChatGPT Isn't Coming for Your Coding Job

49 点作者 clockworksoul超过 1 年前

12 条评论

mkmk超过 1 年前
Entirely misses the point. The right frame for this is “AI wont take your job, but humans with ai will” [0]<p>There are countless examples of people up-skilling using AI. Today, that might threaten the bottom of the market. Soon, it will put everyone’s jobs at risk for disruption.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbr.org&#x2F;2023&#x2F;08&#x2F;ai-wont-replace-humans-but-humans-with-ai-will-replace-humans-without-ai" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbr.org&#x2F;2023&#x2F;08&#x2F;ai-wont-replace-humans-but-humans-wi...</a>
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janosdebugs超过 1 年前
About 10% of the work of a developer is translating specs into code. 90% is trying to make sense of what passes as &quot;specs&quot; these days.
fullstackchris超过 1 年前
This article is perfect. Basically it sums up to, &quot;whats more likely, that every job disappears? (never happened in human history) or we get yet another expansion of products and innovations (always happens)?&quot;<p>&quot;but this time is different&quot; - I still have not seen a single example that shows otherwise.<p>don&#x27;t overthink it
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honkycat超过 1 年前
I JUST got laid off, more than 10 years of experience, have been busy the whole time so i have good chops and a great resume.<p>I&#x27;m kinda sick of the boom and bust and grind. Don&#x27;t really know where to go next, I don&#x27;t see that many alternative well-paying jobs out there.<p>If we lose the developer career path, what the hell is left?
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olavgg超过 1 年前
I&#x27;m actually developing a product that writes database queries, SQL and Cypher with natural language. ChatGPT makes &quot;coding&quot; more accessible for everyone. It will not replace real software developers, but it will help a big number of people with zero coding skills to perform simple data manipulation and data extraction tasks.
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akomtu超过 1 年前
GPT4-5 will change the nature of the job: instead of digging thru a pile of smelly code to find the right place to fix something, you&#x27;ll ask GPT for a list of suggestions, and the top suggestion will be usually correct. However if it generates an arcane script to update your database, you can&#x27;t trust it and can&#x27;t verify the script without assistance from an expensive software dev. There is some similarities with lawyers: gpt4 can write a lengthy contract for a few cents, but you still need to pay a lawyer thousands of dollars to verify it.<p>However, when gpt gets fluent in formal logic, the number of knowledge workers needed to run a business will shrink tenfold at least.
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jnash超过 1 年前
Agree. I haven&#x27;t seen any examples of ChatGPT that might make me want to use it for my job. Yes if you are an inexperienced programmer (or just not very competent) then it might help you get something working I guess?
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larsonnn超过 1 年前
Every advancement that simplifies coding potentially displaces a job. If tools like GPT-4 amplify my efficiency by even 1-5x, it&#x27;s not just code— it implies a broader workload shift across the tech sector.
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kuchenbecker超过 1 年前
Programmers used to program in Assembly. Id argue coding skills in modern languages are akin to knowing Assembly when C was invented; how programs are written will change.
ilaksh超过 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;1TcAA" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;1TcAA</a>
ilaksh超过 1 年前
Actually, Fortran and COBOL _did_ replace programmers, as far as I know. It was largely women at the beginning because it was quite tedious and the first computer languages were assembly or machine code. They were so far from the application or mathematical language and often had to be programmed in difficult processes like sometimes literally flipping switches, or input systems that were slow to set up.<p>But then came high level assembly languages and even higher level application languages. And easier to use input systems. Programmer used to literally be the person either translating some finished math into assembly language or actually encoding code into punch cards or both.<p>All of that went away with better tools. So when this article claims that this stuff didn&#x27;t take jobs, they are wrong. It literally did.<p>The other thing the article gets wrong is that people are concerned that ChatGPT and the current generation of LLMs will literally replace software developers today in equivalent fully general capacity. No one thinks that. No one whatsoever.<p>What is obvious, however, is that it is possible to use something like the existing ChatGPT API and models to do certain simple specific programming tasks. That means that _some_ things you might have previously hired a programmer for can now be done automatically.<p>The applications that I have got working are things like creating a chat interface for querying a specific database, where the system generates the SQL and then formats or summarizes the output. Or creating a web page from a template with just a little bit of custom functionality.<p>So the current version of GPT cannot replace the actual abilities of a programmer, but these AI-powered app or analysis generator are definitely chipping away at the amount of basic but custom tasks that you need to hire a programmer for.<p>The main concept though which the author seems to not get is that these systems will continue to improve year in and year out. And the pace we are on, even assuming it slows down a bit, means that we can expect the complexity of programming tasks that LLMs can handle to continue to improve.<p>There is no reason to believe that it won&#x27;t pretty shortly end up being better than any human. Especially when you can narrow down the task to a specific popular type of application.<p>As soon as I saw ChatGPT last year, I realized that this was eventually going to impact jobs for software development. To what degree and how soon was not determined, but it is obvious it will have a very large impact at some point.<p>So within two days I started working on my own code generation startup leveraging GPT. Within 1-3 years I expect the competition in this area will be very intense. Within five years it will be very obviously competing directly with freelance programmers for small contracts. You will literally see articles like &quot;Use this ChatGPT Plugin instead of spending $10000 on a Freelance Programmer&quot; and it will work.<p>Actually right now I know there is someone who always advertises on HN for building a GPT-powered chatbot for $10000. There are websites that will make the same thing for under $100 per month. At least one that can generate code for custom chatbots. And I am planning to add chatbot capability to my platform which my code generating AI system can easily hook into. So my system will be able to build custom chatbots also within a few months. As a ChatGPT plugin with hosting for $15&#x2F;month. Directly competing with that guy charging $10000.
IshKebab超过 1 年前
...yet.<p>Of course ChatGPT isn&#x27;t going to replace any programmers <i>now</i>. Is anyone that has actually tried it seriously worried about that?<p>The reason people are worried is because it provides strong evidence that AGI might actually be possible within a few decades. Before that we really had no idea.<p>But it clearly isn&#x27;t there yet.
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