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Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

599 点作者 jrepinc超过 1 年前

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UltimateEdge超过 1 年前
&gt; Therefore to use Element X, you need to be running a homeserver with Sliding Sync support, which (for now) means running a sliding-sync proxy which bolts Sliding Sync support on to existing homeservers.<p>I am excited to try out Element X, but I do not want to administer yet another service, namely the Sliding Sync proxy. From a practical perspective, Sliding Sync (MSC3575) is still on the level of a proposal&#x2F;experiment and I wish that we would be having this conversation about Element X <i>after</i> it becomes usable with any spec-compliant server.
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kibwen超过 1 年前
Techy friend group of mine migrated from Discord to a self-hosted private Matrix server a few months back. No complaints so far, although we didn&#x27;t use Discord&#x27;s voice&#x2F;video&#x2F;screen-sharing features (which I hear that Matrix intends to support eventually).<p>UX-wise, it made me appreciate the distinction between Discord&#x27;s &quot;everyone is subscribed to every channel in a server by default&quot; stance, and IRC&#x2F;Matrix&#x27;s opposite approach. The latter certainly scales better, but the former is so, so much better for discoverability, so it&#x27;s probably the better default for small servers.<p>And if you&#x27;re looking for a Matrix client with a Discord-like UI, try Cinny.
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amstan超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s quite disappointing that there&#x27;s huge ongoing work around reinventing clients from scratch where the basic functionality of not ringing all my devices while I&#x27;m using only one of them [1] is still not there (bug open for years), despite it being a pretty simple fix.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vector-im&#x2F;element-meta&#x2F;issues&#x2F;360">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vector-im&#x2F;element-meta&#x2F;issues&#x2F;360</a>
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tptacek超过 1 年前
Just a question, I haven&#x27;t been paying attention, but where is Matrix on resolving the Nebuchadnezzar vulnerabilities, and is the project still tracking towards switching to MLS instead of Olm&#x2F;Megolm?
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rabbitofdeath超过 1 年前
I love matrix - I&#x27;ve been running a Synapse homeserver for over 2 years now for friends and family. We love it. Despite minor problems (upgrading postgres for example) it has been smooth sailing. I really want to stay up to date but they don&#x27;t make it easy! I&#x27;d love to add sliding-sync to my existing docker stack, but I feel like I&#x27;m in way over my head!
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noname120超过 1 年前
Oh wow congrats to the entire team for this amazing achievement! And the cake under the cherry is… Element X is open-source as well[1][2]!<p>I really can&#x27;t wait for Beeper[3] to rebuild their fork on top of Element X (it&#x27;s currently based on Element, formerly called Riot). When this happens it will be an absolute game-changer for the messaging ecosystem.<p>————<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vector-im&#x2F;element-x-ios">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vector-im&#x2F;element-x-ios</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vector-im&#x2F;element-x-android">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vector-im&#x2F;element-x-android</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.beeper.com&#x2F;">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.beeper.com&#x2F;</a>
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czard超过 1 年前
Honestly what&#x27;s the point given XMPP? Tried setting up Matrix, was a pain, went for ejabberd and it was a breeze. Gajim and c0nnecteasy work perfectly. Can&#x27;t help but feel like if half the efforts of building Matrix went into XEPs or something we would have a rock solid IM alternative and clients by now. And tbf, can Matrix do group video calls? That&#x27;s the only really useful feature missing from XMPP now, for which there&#x27;s actually a XEP that recently went into a Deferred state, for a lack of participation&#x2F;experiment. So, what&#x27;s the point?
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leshokunin超过 1 年前
I always get so confused by the naming between Matrix and Element. I get that Element is the client, but I honestly thought that the name Matrix for the server (or is it just the standard for the protocol?) was sunset.<p>Great service though and hope if gets UX improvements too, as Discord and Slack keep getting more clutter.
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neilv超过 1 年前
Thoughts on how this will get us towards when libre software privacy&amp;security type people are ready to advise friends to move to Matrix for personal communication?<p>(To be clear, the platform has to be all open source and open standards, actually decentralized, guided by those principles -- not an effectively proprietary play even if nominally open. For example, you should be able to get all the same functionality with Element, Fluffychat, Thunderbird, and other user agents, and with any home server, both now and on an ongoing basis. And the user agent implementation difficulty should become tractable enough, in terms of size&amp;complexity and specification, that one person could write a new one -- not like Web browsers have become, where there&#x27;s mainly only one, that company has been funding the runner-up, and that company can pretty much dictate &#x27;standards&#x27;.)
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lousken超过 1 年前
&gt; Rather than exposing a kitchen sink of features and settings, we’re keeping Element X truly focused: doing one job and absolutely nailing it - all while harnessing the power of Matrix for secure, interoperable, open-standard communication.<p>does this mean the Element X is more for the mainstream user and regular Element is better suited for power users?
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self_awareness超过 1 年前
How Matrix decentralisation is an improvement over Jabber&#x27;s decentralisation?<p>(disclaimer: I have no knowledge about neither spec, I&#x27;m not suggesting Jabber was better)
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chamik超过 1 年前
This is an amazing step in the right direction. I host a small conduit server for a friend group and I can&#x27;t wait for the improvements this will bring as a whole!<p>Good work.
wkat4242超过 1 年前
There&#x27;s no web version of element X though? It&#x27;s what I use most of the time. I&#x27;ll try the Android app anyway, I&#x27;ve been having a really annoying bug with the normal one anyway that hasn&#x27;t been fixed for a year. So perhaps X doesn&#x27;t have it.
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teawrecks超过 1 年前
I&#x27;m curious if someone could build a discord replacement on top of matrix, most importantly with voice chat and video streaming functionality. Discord is clearly focused on monetization at this point, the only changes happening now are ones that make your experience objectively worse. I&#x27;ve also been on Linux for a few years now and discord still doesn&#x27;t support streaming game audio.<p>And before someone suggests it, I tried Revolt, and it&#x27;s not there yet. The latest client (as of a few months ago) couldn&#x27;t find my audio devices at all, and came with a big warning about how their audio backend was being completely rewritten, and what I was using was now legacy.
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infogulch超过 1 年前
I wrote a summary of the post: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;infogulch&#x2F;status&#x2F;1704933396508553385" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;infogulch&#x2F;status&#x2F;1704933396508553385</a>
abdullahkhalids超过 1 年前
Is Matrix simple enough now that I can invite my grandpa&#x2F;grandma and they will be able to join?<p>How does ease up sign up and use compare to discord?<p>Assume that I make the choice of which client to direct them to.
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whiterock超过 1 年前
my biggest struggle with matrix, is that, at least in element-ios, messages keep transpositioning, i.e. at some random time a message that is 2 days old is pushed all the way down to the new messages. also the aop frequently crashes with some media.<p>but apart from that I of course love the idea of an „SMTP approach“ to instant messaging :)
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notsahil超过 1 年前
Synapse already eats up lots of space, adding sliding sync will boost it up and will be difficult to self-host it.
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eviks超过 1 年前
Do they also plan to ditch the desktop Electron version for the users to enjoy similar performance improvements?
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yobid20超过 1 年前
As someone who works for a company thats developed their own end to end conferencing stack (utilizing webrtc stack on the client side and all custom conference servers and sfu on the backend), what would be the benefits of adding Matrix support and how exactly would that be done (at a high level)? What would the benefits to users be? Trying to understand what all the hype is about here, and whether or not this would be a venture to pursue and what the business justification would be.
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benatkin超过 1 年前
Looks like there&#x27;s an open protocol and an open source client implementation for video calls. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vector-im&#x2F;element-call">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;vector-im&#x2F;element-call</a><p>This is great! Jitsi has never clicked for me. I tried it a few times, and read about it, and was never excited about it. I just tried Element Call, albeit an empty room, and the UI feels right.
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internetguy超过 1 年前
Awesome! I&#x27;ve been using matrix on and off for around 3 years and I absolutely love it.
iptq超过 1 年前
exciting to hear! I only wish i had more time to contribute.<p>Has there been any movement on migrating away from long polling (#475)? I didn&#x27;t see anything about it in the announcements or comments despite such a big milestone
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LWIRVoltage超过 1 年前
Being a user of E2EE video chat tools and calling apps, - I&#x27;ve been following this, especially more closely ever since Jitsi disabled anonymous video calling on thier main instance &#x2F;Jitsi Meet<p>(Yes, there is a the Jitsi Meet Community Instances that are still with the original full functionality that people can access- If they search for Jitsi alternative community instances on a search engine, which isn&#x27;t something most will be aware of for your average user...)<p>Having been a user of the Jitsi Meet Electron App even on Linux and Windows(along with the web accessible variant)- and having followed closely the efforts by Firefox on RTCRtpScriptTransform (formerly webrtc insertable streams) mainly to support Jitsi E2EE calls- has been interesting to watch.<p>Though now with the new Google&#x2F;Meta&#x2F;Microsoft account requirement&#x2F;non anonymous aspect, all of that minus the community instances web interface sites are of use to me now.<p>If i follow fully, Element Call in a way replaces Jitsi Meet&#x27;s original capability- though E2EE encryption doesn&#x27;t have to be &quot;Turned On &quot; in a Chromium based browser - and Element Call isn&#x27;t yet something that can be launched from a desktop app on Windows or Linux in a similar user-friendly way (I see the Vector IM client is a thing)<p>- The main difference being for using Element&#x2F;Element X, one new from the Jitsi Meet ecosystem &#x2F;usecases i&#x27;ve mentioned, will have to make an account- and for your average user who cannot easily learn about and deploy a server and how to host that on their own- but is looking for privacy- it is trickier to judge and will be more steps , to achieve anonymity from a privacy perspective.<p>I see the P2P effort is another step towards this as well<p>I&#x27;ll likely try to use Element Call and point those I know who use tools like this towards it due to Jitsi&#x27;s recent changes - as Element Call&#x27;s web interface is user-friendly enough, and that is the main challenge. What Element is outside of that- and how it integrates into everything and how to use it in the same way in it&#x27;s other forms- will be interesting to introduce, as those are developed further.
dmix超过 1 年前
Does anyone use Matrix&#x2F;Element for a serious workplace, instead of something like Slack?
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monlockandkey超过 1 年前
Does anyone know how to integrate chats into a web app using Matrix. Rather than writing a messaging web app from scratch, can I hook into matrix?
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preya2k超过 1 年前
Once more, Kudos to Arathorn&#x2F;Matthew (the head of Matrix&#x2F;Element) taking the time to answer most Hacker News comments, as he mostly does for all Matrix-related HN threads.<p>It&#x27;s really nice to see him answer in a calm and mostly objective tone while people are blaming him for shortcomings and problems of all the different Matrix-related software projects. Admitting to failures and problems that Matrix definitely has, while still defending the overall project and giving insight into the status of MSCs&#x2F;projects is admirable.<p>Thank you Matthew. I wish you an endless amount of patience for the future.
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smashah超过 1 年前
Matrix is great but when is the tech industry going to deal with the fact that many, if not all, bridges are against the respective services&#x27; ToS and subsequently put the developers of those bridges under legal risk? Whatsapp has already sent legal threats to multiple bridge-component level project maintainers without any recourse.
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brunoqc超过 1 年前
Rip matrix p2p.<p>I wonder if they were serious about it, or if it was just vaporware (a la Musk) to get more funding. It has been announced years ago, they raised millions and they have big governments contracts. WTF is going on?
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rebolek超过 1 年前
The future of Matrix is robots and people as batteries.
Ilikeruby超过 1 年前
I see Decentrilised and I see secure and I see a scam
astroderf超过 1 年前
Can this perennial scam get off the front page already. ffs.
orblivion超过 1 年前
&gt; The European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA) is a huge step in that direction - regulation that mandates that if the large centralised messaging providers are to operate in the EU, they must interoperate.<p>Wow. Not interested in winning the war this way.
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amatecha超过 1 年前
Regular reminder Matrix&#x2F;Element work closely with law-enforcement to provide encrypted comms for them. It&#x27;s a sector Matrix&#x2F;Element actively markets to and deals with. My personal view is I&#x27;m not using a chat platform designed&#x2F;developed by an organization so eager to partner with governments and law enforcement agencies.<p>There&#x27;s Element&#x27;s Chief Product Officer &amp; Managing Director presenting at the European Police Congress[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.matrix.org&#x2F;@element&#x2F;110310853505977058" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.matrix.org&#x2F;@element&#x2F;110310853505977058</a><p>And a quick post about their excitement at participating in this conference: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.matrix.org&#x2F;@element&#x2F;110304013472307767" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.matrix.org&#x2F;@element&#x2F;110304013472307767</a><p>I mean, whatever, it&#x27;s just doing business, right? When someone criticized this, they gave a snarky, surprisingly unprofessional response: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.matrix.org&#x2F;@matrix&#x2F;110334695988903649" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.matrix.org&#x2F;@matrix&#x2F;110334695988903649</a><p>Dunno about anyone else but my trust in them is just gone. I&#x27;m not saying you have to care (and I don&#x27;t care if you do). I&#x27;m sharing this for the people who <i>do</i> care, and don&#x27;t want to use &quot;secure messaging&quot; made by people who actively market to and collaborate closely with law enforcement and governments.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.european-police.eu&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.european-police.eu&#x2F;</a>
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