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Why some nations become wealthy while others remain stuck in poverty

52 点作者 Mitt大约 13 年前

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nsns大约 13 年前
Amazing, not one word about colonialism.<p>"by the late 1700s, England had embarked on the largest sustained period of economic growth since the Neolithic age"<p>Right, and many countries in the world still try to resurrect themselves from that "economic growth" (hint: it was based on pirating their national and human resources). The other "thriving" European countries followed suit (e.g. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa</a>).<p>After less than six decades since the abolition of explicit colonialism, it's still quite early to say why some countries recovered quickly while others didn't.<p>While I'm a great believer in democracy, I think we should be aware that a lot of these approaches are nothing but self serving democratic propaganda (propaganda, not science).
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ilaksh大约 13 年前
I am a technological optimist and I do believe a lot of things that Kurzweil and his friends say, but this is one area where I think that whole group and most of the mainstream is living in a fairytale land.<p>I actually think most of the crazier sounding stuff in videos you see on the internet is more or less correct (not 100% but a lot of it). I think reality is a lot crazier than fiction.<p>So, although I used to be completely left-leaning and liberal, now I buy most of it to a certain degree, not just the crazy left stuff -- from the singularity stuff, the zeitgeist stuff, but also a lot of that stuff Alex Jones says (I shouldn't admit that, and I am not sure about a lot of it, for instance I don't think that there are too many vaccines involved in population control, but I can't eliminate the possibility).<p>What I have learned from the "batshit insane conspiracy theorists", well, a lot of it might be crazy. But I do know that they are right about some things -- governments aren't good to the people, and the United States is no exception, and the crap they tell us about world events on TV is just lies.<p>Empires didn't just happen for the whole of recorded history and then just suddenly stop around the time that moving pictures came out. I really believe that the American dominance should truly be considered an extension of the British Empire and in many ways has been and continues to be even more brutal and oppressive.<p>The world bank and the like do exercise economic warfare. The second and third world are exploited and repressed.<p>You don't have to be crazy to consider things from this point of view. All you have to do is stop subjecting yourself to STOPTHINK. In other words, just realize that "oh, that sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory" is not a reason to put your fingers in your ears.<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/</a>
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grepherder大约 13 年前
I know Daron Acemoglu as a prolific academic, and he has some good ideas but I don't buy the general idea he has established here. As pointed out by others I find it to be serving democratic propaganda rather than any rational train of thought. Otherwise he couldn't have overlooked such a big flaw in his reasoning, one of cause and effect.<p>The only possible example - if even that - he could use in his argument could be the divergence of North and South America. There are no other regions in the world which weren't already poor because of a myriad of other reasons, where he can say "Oh look, they were doing good, but then turned to repression and declined."<p>Back to Americas, he argues it can't have geographic reasons because at the time of colonialism South was actually more advanced than North. And it should be emphasized here the sole reason South was more advanced was geography. The flaw is, what happens thereafter is, indeed not anymore a function of the geography of Americas, but also not of the democratic institutions in place, but of the economics and politics of the colonial empires involved. Unlike North America, South America was exploited and then left without a concentration of central political authority, leading to huge regional gaps of power which then lead to those kind of extractive institutions with some kind of elite on the top. That is the effect, the result, not the cause. To grossly simplify, the region becomes poor or the power controlling the region declines, which leads to extractive institutions, which then keeps the region from developing but that is a wholly different assertion than what Acemoglu defends for this specific case.<p>The reasons for the outcome in Americas could be found by looking at the power struggle between the colonial empires, and the decline of the Spanish Empire. North America, where mainly England and France had influence was of course bound to overtake South America. I see no reason at all to buy this romantic "because the people were given freedom!" idea.
wslh大约 13 年前
This is overthinking and the answer is pretty simple many times. I live in Argentina, a perfect and beautiful country from the weather, geography, agricultural, business potential, touristic perspectives. But the corruption IS the system and there are not incentives to work harder. So, it is the society (including politicians) in this case.
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hansbo大约 13 年前
It's a very simple premise, but I've always felt it to be true. Give people the sense of being in control, or at least have the potential to be in control (Democracy, property rights, et.c.), and they will work hard for a better future. This tends to give a lot of stable growth.
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forinti大约 13 年前
The high standard of living of Europe and the US is a very recent achievement. If you look at the last 3000 years, India and China had the technological edge for most of that period. Looking at the future, China will probably get back to the first position. Latin America seems to be finding its own model and will soon reach a pretty decent standard of living. So I think it was too narrow a period of time that was analysed to reach such grand conclusions.
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nickik大约 13 年前
The other of the Book was in the Econtalk podcast (talking about the book). I highly recomend it.<p><a href="http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2012/03/acemoglu_on_why.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2012/03/acemoglu_on_why.htm...</a>
kstenerud大约 13 年前
Another major factor is geography. America could not have become the powerhouse she is today if she didn't control the entire Mississippi river and bordering lands.<p>The only other country that comes close in this regard is China.
ballstothewalls大约 13 年前
Although I suspect what he is saying is a factor, to say it is THE reason is a major oversimplification. You have to examine a whole host of things.<p>For instance, geography/natural resource endowments have to be taken into account. Just look at Saudi Arabia. It is a country where a few do really well but compared to other developing countries it is doing pretty well as a whole, all because it has large oil deposits.
lifebeyondfife大约 13 年前
I can't recommend Tim Harford's 'The Undercover Economist' enough. There's a great chapter on Cameroon and exactly why it's the way it is.
spurgu大约 13 年前
Wealthy? Doesn't the US have massive debt?
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