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How to see bright, vivid images in your mind’s eye (2016)

320 点作者 kalkr超过 1 年前

34 条评论

laserbeam超过 1 年前
I hate the writing style. This is the kind of text you normally see from scam artists: &quot;this cool techinque that I&#x27;m going to tell you about&quot;, &quot;here&#x27;s a personal story&#x2F;testimonial&quot;, &quot;soon I&#x27;ll tell you how I did it&quot;, &quot;watch this video if you want to learn more&quot;, and there&#x27;s usually also a &quot;buy my course if you really want to learn about it&quot;.<p>This is not how one shares knowledge, this is how one sells snake oil.<p>Thus, by default all information shared here should be considered bogus. Every claim needs to be verified (multiple hours of research). As such, I&#x27;d rathet disregard the article completely and use actual research on aphantasia as a starting point to learn about it instead.
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CommieBobDole超过 1 年前
So, wait, are people normally actually seeing images, with their eyes, when they imagine what something looks like? Like, the brown-blackness of the back of your eyelids gets replaced with something you actually see, like it&#x27;s projected there?<p>I can imagine what something looks like, and I guess I sort of &#x27;see&#x27; it, but closing my eyes doesn&#x27;t make it any more real. It doesn&#x27;t seem to involve the eyes or any part of the visual system at all - it&#x27;s somewhere else in my head.
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chatmasta超过 1 年前
The thing I&#x27;ve never understood about aphantasia is the emphasis on closing your eyes. Does it really matter? I can visualize an apple (to borrow the example from the frequently shared meme) whether my eyes are open or closed. It&#x27;s not like my eyelids are some necessary visual backdrop for visualization.
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layer8超过 1 年前
I would be careful with the eye rubbing, as that’s an important risk factor for keratoconus:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC6848869&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC6848869&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC9800344&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC9800344&#x2F;</a>
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i8comments超过 1 年前
Is everyone here this credulous? The website even claims it increases your IQ, which is extremely dubious, to say the least.<p>Rubbing your eyes doesnt make you not aphantasic, any more than looking at a bright lightbulb for a few seconds or unblinkingly staring at a single image on a bright tv for a few minutes (which is actually more effective if you want to clearly see colorful and bright shapes with <i>closed eyes</i> -- doesnt change your minds eye, which is different), and whats worse is that it will damage your eye!
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justinlloyd超过 1 年前
The article kind of comes off as spammy&#x2F;scammy and I fully expected to reach a point where the author wanted to sell me a course for $99 on how to achieve whatever it was he was hawking.<p>I have a propensity for staring at points in space and daydreaming&#x2F;visualizing to the point where it thoroughly annoys my wife. Right now I am rotating a small grey elephant wearing blue boots and a red blanket with gold edging on the blanket in my mind&#x27;s eye whilst staring at the HN web page and there is not a single thing anyone can do to stop me from doing it. It&#x27;s also free which no doubt irks a number of CEOs and founders who have yet to figure out how to monetize it.<p>I have a family member who describes themselves as &quot;visual primary&quot; but during conversations of what this means woefully admits that they need to &quot;see things&quot; to know what they look like, cannot visualize rotating an elephant nor picture what the underside of a soup bowl might look like if they had never looked under that particular soup bowl but had looked under many other soup bowls throughout their life. I liken the ability to visualize as my first encounter with NeRF &quot;Yes, it&#x27;s like that! Seeing things from other angles even though you&#x27;d never seen that particular angle.&quot;<p>The human mind, it is quirky to say the least. Quirky in that I can now rest easy because the amount of HN karma I have accumulated has taken on a pleasant shade rather than the jarring visual noise it previously was when it was below 2000.
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voxl超过 1 年前
I think I have very good visualization skills. To the point where I can solve three dimensional geometry problems in my head with nothing external. However, I never &quot;see&quot; anything with my two eyes in the way I can see an afterglow of a candle or a window, as described in the video.<p>I see with a &quot;third-eye&quot; or a &quot;minds-eye.&quot; Never with me real two eyes. This means I can visualize at any point, eyes closed or open. I can transpose an additional image on the scenery around me, and in fact I did that very often in school, playing games on walls in my head. Anything to avoid the lesson.<p>But, is that seeing images in your head, or isn&#x27;t it? Must you see the image as you would see the afterglow of a window? I&#x27;ve never been able to tease out what people really mean when they say they can visualize.
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pharmakom超过 1 年前
Don’t rub your eyes for any reason (source: my optometrist)
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ncfausti超过 1 年前
This reminds me of a time when I was meditating in my dimly lit office after work some years ago. For context, I had been meditating daily for 20-30 minutes quite consistently at the time.<p>During this session, about 15 minutes in I had the sensation of &quot;seeing with my eyes closed&quot;. I could see very clearly my workspace, desk, monitors, keyboard, etc. It was one of the most remarkable experiences of my life.<p>I am wondering now if this was related to a sudden lapse in aphantasia (which it seems like I have), a closed eye hallucination (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Closed-eye_hallucination" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Closed-eye_hallucination</a>), both, or something else?
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buro9超过 1 年前
Describing the technique in text would&#x27;ve been helpful<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sourcesofinsight.com&#x2F;image-streaming&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sourcesofinsight.com&#x2F;image-streaming&#x2F;</a>
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pizzafeelsright超过 1 年前
I thought I could use my mind&#x27;s eye until I read similar threads.<p>I have a vivid imagination but it turns out it&#x27;s all conceptual. I don&#x27;t see an apple. I see a mostly circle shape. It&#x27;s either green or red. Maybe yellow.<p>I can&#x27;t draw well but I can draw anything. I know the concepts and can poorly draw the approximate.
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fileeditview超过 1 年前
Great to see this topic on HN(aphantasia). I learned about that about 3-4 years ago from my colleagues. Before that I wasn&#x27;t aware that people can see images. I certainly couldn&#x27;t (still cannot).<p>I read a lot about this topic and it&#x27;s fascinating. This does not only apply to images but also sounds and smells. I cannot &quot;imagine&quot; them too. So I presume that a great musician is able to imagine certain instruments clearly in his head. At least a friend told me that he could do this. And a master chef will probably be able to imagine the taste of different ingredients.<p>I however cannot. At times this realization feels quite sad. I try to however see the benefits to this.. there are some. E.g. I have a great sleep. I always told my wife that I close my eyes and the world is gone. I then can just fall a sleep given that I am tired enough. She never understood that.<p>Were this held me back in my life is drawing and chess playing. I am good chess player on club level but I never managed to play blindfolded more than a few moves. I now know why. I also always needed references before me when drawing. I imagine a good mind&#x27;s eye could be of great help here.<p>I will certainly try the techniques mentioned in the article&#x2F;video. But I think if you can learn it depends on whether you have the ability at all. I might have dreamed with pictures very rarely but I am not sure about it. We will see if the technique does something for me.
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tzs超过 1 年前
A bit OT: I&#x27;m curious what, if anything, people here see when their eyes are closed while falling asleep.<p>I usually see one of the following:<p>1. Just the brown&#x2F;black of my eyelids, with some slight variations in darkness.<p>2. A blob of white light. It looks a lot like what you&#x27;d see if you were in a dark room with a sink full of water that is draining, and there was a drop of some glowing dye in the water which is circling the drain and expanding.<p>3. Gears, pistons, linkages, pulleys, wheels, etc forming elaborate moving mechanisms. I have no idea what the mechanisms are doing or if any of the mechanisms are sensible or even possible. I&#x27;m very much not mechanically inclined and so this is the most puzzling nighttime visualization to me.<p>4. Plants. I seem to be flying low over land with patches of grass, flowers, and trees. The scene is quite detailed, with individual leaves and blades of grass visible, and any gaps between things filled with things farther behind, giving a strong sense of 3D.<p>5. Animals. Unlike the plants of #4 that I see in a full environment if I see animals they are just kind of there against the brown&#x2F;black background. Sometimes they are normal animals, and sometimes they are weird creatures that belong in science fiction or mythology. The animals often morph into other animals.
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FriedPickles超过 1 年前
AKA how to train a generative image model on a biological neural net. Listening to him do it sounds a lot like a description of a diffusion model generating an image from the initial static--surreal.
treme超过 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;CureAphantasia&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;CureAphantasia&#x2F;</a><p>Recommended for aphantasics
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yummybear超过 1 年前
It’s amazing how little we know about how others dream and visualize:<p>Do you see 3d or 2d? Is there smells? Are there color? Is there sound? Do people talk? Can you feel touch?
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graphe超过 1 年前
I cured my aphantasia another way. I stopped believing in it. I was asked to visualize something and I could only do it vaguely when I described it. He told me I had weak visualization which showed me it didn&#x27;t exist. Everyone who claims to have it just has WEAK visualization and trying harder to visualize will give you the same results. It&#x27;ll take a while, think of it as a muscle. Use it or lose it.
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aatd86超过 1 年前
I wonder if this is really real (aphantasia I mean) . I know that it can be blocked so it&#x27;s probably brain area related.<p>As long as you can remember the shape of objects and recall them to draw on paper as a kid, I think that you probably are capable of conjuring images up your mind (or sound, or perhaps even touch).<p>Then, I have had time I felt my internal visualization was unusually impeded.
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qnleigh超过 1 年前
Tangential but hopefully related enough to be of interest; is there similar variability with the &quot;mind&#x27;s ear?&quot; If you imagine someone saying &quot;hello,&quot; does it make sense to then ask things like whether the voice was male or female?Personally, I can &#x27;hear&#x27; imagined sounds in quite a lot of detail. I&#x27;m not aphantasic, but images are less vivid than audio for me.<p>Oddly, I realized a few years ago that most of my dreams have no direct audio content. There are no sounds when people talk ; speech is implicit. I asked around and my impression is that this is unusual. However every once in a while I will have a dream with incredibly vivid, apparently novel music, as if every note on every instrument is actually being played in my head. I still remember the main melody from the last song that I dreamt this way.
i4i超过 1 年前
Having only discovered Aphantasia in my 6th decade on the planet, it&#x27;s safe to say that you can&#x27;t miss what you never had. That said, in a FB forum that discusses Aphantasia, a few people who previously had the ability to &#x27;see memories&#x27;, were devastated by the (stroke) loss of it. Upon describing my situation, one friend immediately asked incredulously, &quot;How do you jerk off?&quot; I&#x27;m intrigued with the article. That a &quot;Mind&#x27;s Eye&quot; could be developed is an exciting possibility. BTW, This is a tight, short, Hank Green video that I send to folks who have no idea what I&#x27;m talking about. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=A91tvp0b1fY">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=A91tvp0b1fY</a>
HellDunkel超过 1 年前
The whole website and all links mentioned here looks as if this was just a hoax but i still like to think this could work.
kylebenzle超过 1 年前
Great post, I wish we had more of these types of pragmatic techniques from zen buddhism&#x2F;yoga. I&#x27;ve heard of this one as both a way to induce lucid dreaming and as just a yoga meditation but this post does not seem to mention that some people say the best results are often had right before falling asleep.
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ergonaught超过 1 年前
As someone with aphantasia, most of the replies here prompt me to think ugly thoughts about humanity. Judgemental, hateful, repugnant species. There&#x27;s really no hope for the primate line. With any luck, some thoughtless company will engineer a replacement.<p>If only I could visualize that outcome.
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temp0826超过 1 年前
Despite the awful article I&#x27;m going to give this a try. I work at an ayahuasca retreat and get to drink a couple times a week, but it&#x27;s pretty rare for me to get clear visions with it and I wonder if this could help. I do find it interesting that speaking out loud is part of it; it reminds me of how the medicine songs (icaros) are used- which are often very literal instructions of what&#x27;s going on in the shaman&#x27;s visual&#x2F;felt experience. I have considered looking more deeply into Vajrayana Buddhist practices like diety yoga (visualizing dieties in great detail with persistence, eventually visualizing oneself as the diety) to work on this, but haven&#x27;t come across too many resources.
ilrwbwrkhv超过 1 年前
Back in the early 2000s when I was growing up, I wanted to increase my IQ. Image streaming was actually one of the techniques that came highly recommended. Mega genius would also suggest this and similar other techniques. Bit nostalgic to see this here.
ChrisClark超过 1 年前
Thanks for this post. I&#x27;ve never been able to see anything in my mind&#x27;s eye. When I try really hard I can get the faint impression, more like the image was almost there, but never arrived.<p>I&#x27;ll give this a try and see if anything ever changes.
spacebacon超过 1 年前
I thought this was innate for decades … I’ve had a clear minds eye for as long as I can remember. In college a couple decades ago I did Jose Silvas program and some of Monroe Institutes. This is the way to truly enhance your minds eye.
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oh_sigh超过 1 年前
There was a story about a guy who trained himself to lucid dream about a hundred years ago while he was riding a train, and letting the shadows play off of his closed eyes....anyone know what I&#x27;m talking about? Having a hard time googling it, but I wonder if that same technique could be used for improving mental imagery instead of eye rubbing.
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ogig超过 1 年前
This one is curious;<p>&gt;Q. If I use a voice recorder, do I have to listen back to what I’ve said? No. I’m not going to pretend that I understand why but it seems that your mind just needs to know what the words are being recorded. You can, of course, listen to the recordings if you want to. Personally, I didn’t bother.
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izoow超过 1 年前
I wonder if this has something to do with certain people&#x27;s brains being wired more towards images and others towards sound. I always felt like I&#x27;m much better with sound when it comes to recalling things and such.
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chromoblob超过 1 年前
I wonder how aphantasia and synesthesia are related. Are there many people who have both?
contr-error超过 1 年前
Rubbing one&#x27;s eyes is not entirely innocuous, as it can induce or worsen astigmatism.
TikiTDO超过 1 年前
Ooh, this is a nice link. Totally going to add some of this stuff to my practice.
julianeon超过 1 年前
Could someone summarize the technique? This was a video tl;dr for me (though I’ll watch it if the summary sounds interesting).
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