"You have a 27% 'AI' issue in here"

AI Detection services are the oiliest of snake oils. Seems like education is going to need to change drastically in the next few years. Maybe we'll go all the way back to oral examinations again.

It feels more and more like we need to rethink what scoring schoolwork means.<p>Worksheets and exams can show how familiar you are with the material, or they can be gamed or useless in some other way. But the best they can ever do is show familiarity.<p>What I really want as a consumer of someone&#x27;s grade or academic history is how well they WORK in the subject area, along with how well they work with other people, not just a score that may correlate with regurgitation of facts.<p>I feel cheated by my school years, because I was led to believe that regurgitation of facts is very important. I also feel like this previous comment will be very emotional for some people.

Grades in university have done absolutely nothing for me. Good grades nor bad grades. What I got out of schooling was quite literally an education – access to perspectives and paradigms, learning methodologies, some expertise in a couple of fields, confidence in working with others. You know... learning.<p>There&#x27;s not a lot of value in using AI for targeted tasks like a school essay. Nor is there much value in getting a grade for a targeted task like an essay (not only would the grade be high-noise and low-signal, it also has a tiny or non-existent practical effect).<p>I wonder if these AI tools will to some extent highlight the meaningless fluff (crust?) that vestigially hangs around. If our current incarnation of task-oriented AI is really good at some particular thing, and we humans readily hand that thing over to AI without regret&#x2F;loss, what are the chances that that thing really mattered in the first place?<p>(Note that this is not to hypothesize that all things AI does are non-important.)<p>I personally believe that we have a weak grasp on the things we do that don&#x27;t matter. We do a lot of things because we have always done them, and some of these have not been adequately questioned in years&#x2F;decades. So any indication of what&#x27;s important or not is very helpful.<p>(I&#x27;m aware my circumstances are unique – maybe for some grades in school have had a significant influence in their lives – I personally have not witnessed this, in myself or others.)

This kind of thing infuriates me so much. Not only are the detectors not accurate, but the damned thing gave it a 27% score that it was written by an AI which means it actually predicted it WASN&#x27;T written as AI and this teacher is threatening their success over that. It&#x27;s absolutely absurd.

I am an Eagle Scout and was awarded it in 1995. As part of that process, I had to write up a detailed document outlining my project including how it was conceived, the work, and the outcome.<p>It was rejected on my initial submission because the reviewers felt I it wasn’t written by a sophomore in HS.<p>My parents rewrote the entire thing in what they described as “baby talk” and it was then accepted. The irony is not lost on me to this day.<p>This is nothing new; it’s been happening forever and will continue to happen, we just have a new reason to drive a race to the bottom.<p>I hate the world we live in.

Has anyone field-tested strategies to fighting allegations like this and would like to share them?<p>Something I remember from a previous discussion around this topic was writing everything in e.g., Google Docs, where there are captured versions every few seconds. The idea being that the version log shows that one did not copy-and-paste larger chunks of the text.

As a professor at a community college, I am very hesitant to just declare something is AI generated unless is it very clear. If I suspect something is AI generated I run it through 3 different checkers that I found online and if they don&#x27;t all agree then I don&#x27;t call it plagiarism. Normally the writing is so vague that it isn&#x27;t more than a C anyway.

I would sue the teacher and school if this happened to me… total BS.<p>Also plagarism and having other people do your work, or even take exams for you is as old as time. How is AI any different? Some trust is in order here. The students are the ones paying to be educated, if they cheat they are only cheating themselves anyways.

I am an educator at a UK university. The essay is rapidly ceasing to be an appropriate way to assess students knowledge and critical thinking.<p>We regularly organise in person face to face practical exams for our entire several hundred strong year group of undergraduates. It is possible to do assessment properly if the will is there.

When I was in college, they were going to put carpet in the science labs, and a few of us thought it was a really stupid, dangerous idea.<p>We started a petition and asked for signatures at the on-campus cafe.<p>After a few days, the administrators asked us into their office for a chat. They asked us stupid questions and tried to talk us out of our petition. When it didn&#x27;t work, they eventually caved and didn&#x27;t do the carpet that year.<p>They waited for the next year. Then a couple years later, they put back the tile.<p>I don&#x27;t know why they were <i>so</i> scared of our petition, but I&#x27;m sure this is another situation that could benefit from one. It sends a very clear message about the situation to people very high up in the food chain. And I&#x27;m sure it could get a ton of signatures.

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Should bring back in class writing essay tests on paper. One page long. Incentive critical thinking not page length.

The message from the teacher looks like it was written by a bot. Compare notes with other students. If two students got exactly the same text, the teacher is outsourcing their own job to a program. Publicize that.

Comical. Back in the day, when I had to write research papers I would go to Wikipedia by copying the citations verbatim, outline the page, and then essentially rewrite the whole thing in my voice but keeping the exact quotes from the original article since they were cited.<p>At that point, 70% of the hard work is done and you&#x27;re just regurgitating. Liberal arts is long dead.

This is apparently unpopular but my take on this is that if teachers want students to write something on which AI can get high scores, then whatever they&#x27;re teaching is obsolete and will be replaced by AIs anyway. Of course, not mentioning AI as co-author remains cheating. But I think the best course of action is to simply allow students to use AI while mentioning it (and the prompts they&#x27;ve used).<p>I&#x27;m in philosophy and so far no AI has produced a text of interest to me. If it did, then I&#x27;d deal with it like with any arguments by colleagues.

What is the actual problem with AI generated text in and of itself?<p>If it was completely AI generated without any human intervention, it likely would have been fairly generic &#x2F; poor writing anyway. At least for the time being, AI is a new tool at our disposal but it&#x27;s still just a tool, like a calculator or a hammer.<p>Students should be judged on the merit of the work even if some of the work is AI generated.

I have always spelled really well (almost won a spelling bee) and as soon as personal computers became a thing, I realized how useless a &quot;superpower&quot; it was. And now it might become an actual liability as nearly perfect spelling&#x2F;grammar is an easy attribute to hang &quot;possibly AI-generated&quot; on.

If you submit a word document, is there some way to detect if the words were typed out, how long the document was open etc? Basically trying to detect if the student pasted the text? Obviously students would get around this simply by typing it out word for word, but could work here.

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How long are the first 9 lines of the first paragraph that the teacher gave the student 5 days to rewrite them ?

*because<p>I think the marker could also do with some improvement of their writing style.

I emphasize with the student here, but passing it through an ai detector yourself before submitting and keeping a version history seems like an easy way to combat any false claims.

Paradigm changes have been happening since there&#x27;s been humans around. Some people adapt, others don&#x27;t.