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Impacts of lack of sleep

337 点作者 belkarx超过 1 年前

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000ooo000超过 1 年前
For me, I find my sleep suffers because of what some describe as "revenge bedtime procrastination". When my job is shit (i.e. now), I'm more inclined to stay on the PC later doing things that bring me some level of joy, or play games to escape the mind spinning its wheels. I seem to more easily recognise that my job is unfulfilling because I'm staying up later or I'm dreading going to bed. Going to bed early for a good night's sleep seems a lot easier a habit to build when my day-life is going well.
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lloeki超过 1 年前
The post is mostly covering &quot;mind&quot; and &quot;metabolic&quot; things, but the effect extends to &quot;body&quot; things:<p>- more likely to avoid hurtful situations (lower attention, zone out events, micro sleep events, reflexes diminished).<p>- more likely to hurt yourself when such accidents occur<p>- once hurt, physical recovery is severely hampered<p>Car accidents are the obvious ones here but it extends to simple things like accidental cuts with knives, slipping in the tub, or sprained ankles or knees just walking down stairs or curbs.<p>And some other &quot;mind&quot; and &quot;metabolic&quot; things:<p>- immune system effectiveness plummets, so more chances to get sick<p>- REM deprivation causes neuronal death<p>- long term, leads to anxiety, false memories, paranoia, hallucinations, and psychosis (been there, done that; not a good place to be)<p>We all know that water is essential to not dying, but sleep appears to be on equal footing (3 days without either and you&#x27;re in catastrophic states), maybe even more important (the - sad - record of a human surviving without water is 18 days, for sleep it&#x27;s 10)
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kungfufrog超过 1 年前
Resonates with anyone that has had children. Biggest impact for both my wife and I was overall sleep quality&#x2F;quantity and sacrificing sleep for a modicum of personal time at the end of the day.
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InSteady超过 1 年前
The caffeine trap can be particularly insidious, especially for those of us who metabolize it slower. Its half-life can range from as low as 1.5 hours all the way up to 9.5 hours.<p>So on the high end of that scale, if you drink 3 cups of coffee, containing say 300mg of caffeine, between 7 and 10 AM then you still have around 100mg of caffeine kicking around in your system when 11pm rolls around, clogging up your adenosine receptors and disrupting your body&#x27;s ability to signal to itself (and you) that it wants and is ready for rest.<p>[<i>And if you don&#x27;t follow any sleep hygiene practices, you are also probably depriving the body of its primary mechanism for initiating the sleep processes. You can take supplemented melatonin but it is usually only effective for short or medium-term use, and in my personal experience is way less effective than the home-grown good stuff produced in the pineal gland</i>]<p>So you lose 30 minutes here, and hour there of sleep. Not necessarily every night, but on a weekly basis you find yourself worn out, mentally ready to rest and recharge, but there is a disconnect in your brain and body that doesn&#x27;t allow a smooth wake-sleep transition. The longer this trend occurs, the more sleep debt you find yourself in, the more you tend to throw in another half-cup around noon from time to time just to make sure you can keep going.<p>Worst of all is when you hit on the realization that alcohol or some other drug can help to knock you out when you&#x27;re still too wired to sleep even though you really want or need it.. unfortunately (with the possible exception of a few herbs) basically every medication or drug that puts you to sleep also negatively impacts the quality of that sleep. Which in the above scenario is going to spell out more caffeine in the routine, sooner or later, to compensate further. Do be aware that this doesn&#x27;t necessarily have to be conscious realization, it is an extremely easy and I assume common habit to fall into.<p>If you happen to process caffeine at a 1.5 hour half life, and can conk out like a light under most circumstances, I am truly jealous. Enjoy your God-given gifts ya lucky bastard!
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iagooar超过 1 年前
If I could go back 10 years and talk to myself from the past, I would definitely tell myself: get away from that screen from time to time, especially on weekends. Buy a cheap 4x4 and GET OUT THERE. Get exercise, get fresh air, get to see the world through your own eyes instead of through a 2D screen, get physically tired, AVOID if possible any alcohol intake (this is a whole different topic, but alcohol might destroy your sleep, even if you only drink occasionally).<p>I wish I had done it 10 years ago, when my sleep quality and quantity were just depressingly low. These days even with small children I have better quality of sleep than I used to have back then when I would spend hours and hours in front of a computer screen (at work and after work as a hobby).
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p-e-w超过 1 年前
I&#x27;m highly skeptical concerning the claimed &#x27;effects&#x27; of lack of sleep. I don&#x27;t doubt those are <i>correlated</i> with lack of sleep, but for many of them, obvious confounding factors exist.<p>As a trivial example, overworked people typically get less sleep than average folks. And excessive work is also correlated with several of the &#x27;effects&#x27; from the list, such as &quot;fatigued and demotivated&quot; and &quot;lower libido&quot;. This means that even though lack of sleep is (indirectly) linked to those problems, <i>getting more sleep won&#x27;t necessarily fix them,</i> because the real cause is something else.<p>I find it strange that a post explicitly addressed to HN readers fails to even mention this extremely obvious issue.
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drakonka超过 1 年前
Below have been my strategies to improve my sleep over the years:<p>* No coffee after 12.00 - No black tea after this time on most days either<p>* Peppermint tea a few hours before bed<p>* Magnesium before bed<p>* No alarm (I naturally wake up between 7 and 8am, though sometimes stay in bed for longer)<p>* Ereader in bed - reading helps put me to sleep<p>* Blackout curtains (a must in Swedish summer)<p>* Sometimes, visualizing scenes from whatever story I&#x27;m writing as I fall asleep. This can both help me get ideas for the story and help me fall asleep.<p>I am very bad with controlling screen time before bed and have pretty much given up on doing that at this point... For now. I still find myself waking up at 4am sometimes and then going back to sleep. It doesn&#x27;t take long to get back, but it takes a lot of effort not to grab my phone and start scrolling in these times. If I must put my eyes on _something_, I try to make it my Kobo reader.
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mmanfrin超过 1 年前
I&#x27;d wager most people here who don&#x27;t get enough sleep aren&#x27;t doing so out of some sort of grindset mentality, but because they simply cannot. I find it very hard to fall asleep, nearly impossible to sleep in (a consequence of getting older?), and more interrupted sleep. I&#x27;m reticent to try drugs to enable sleep because I&#x27;ve heard that the sleep they provide is not true sleep.
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charles_f超过 1 年前
&gt; Depression, anxiety, irritability, distress<p>I&#x27;m now at a point where I manage to take a step back when I feel generally down, and just look into whether I had enough sleep, or if the weather is crap. These are the two most important predictors for whether I&#x27;ll find my job to be terminally depressing, or my situation to be doomed ; and I try to convince myself to take my distress with a fistful of salt then, and wait to be less tired or the weather to get better, before I overanalyze my situation.<p>It does not always work, but sometimes it helps a little with rationalizing
voidhorse超过 1 年前
Melatonin has been a complete game changer for me in this regard. I&#x27;ve struggled to get decent sleep since my late teens. I&#x27;m plagued by an overactive brain at night. About a year ago I started taking just 3mg of melatonin before bed and haven&#x27;t looked back since. I&#x27;m sure my particular circumstances were such that it just happened to be my cureall and won&#x27;t work for everyone, but if you have trouble sleeping and haven&#x27;t tried it yet, definitely give it a go. It might be all you need.
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hannofcart超过 1 年前
A key thing to note is that if you have sleep apnea, even if you think you&#x27;re getting 7-8 hrs of sleep, you likely aren&#x27;t.<p>If you (or likely your partner) suspects you have apnea, talk to your doctor.<p>Doing a sleep study&#x2F;test and getting treatment for apnea will likely transform your life for the better.
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behnamoh超过 1 年前
My partner suffers from this. She tried many solutions but to no vail. But it seems having an intentional period of wind down before bed (e.g., 1 hour on the couch, scrolling social media and listening to podcasts) helps. When she goes to bed after that, she never uses her phone and can sleep much better.<p>I&#x27;m in the same boat except that I only go to bed when I&#x27;m absolutely completely drained and exhausted, which is probably not good...
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specialist超过 1 年前
Agree with all. TIL: One way I know I&#x27;m behind on my sleep is I can&#x27;t stop eating (noshing).<p>My insomnia journey...<p>I had turrible insomnia for decades, worse over time. I tried All The Things, multiple times. Which everyone should try, if only to learn more about oneself.<p>But if you try All The Things and still suffer, do not give up. Keep looking, keep asking.<p>Turns out my root cause was bone spurs on my spine. Tiny little pinches of my nerves, which prevented my mind and my body from ever relaxing.<p>It took <i>years</i> to get a proper diagnosis, separate from the insomnia concern, and then even more time to get an effective treatment.<p>Happily, &quot;fixing&quot; those bone spurs resolved most of my anxiousness and insomnia. Now I sleep like a corpse. It&#x27;s glorious.<p>This is my personal example of an apparent phantom chronic illness. Where care providers offer what they know and then basically give up.<p>Which makes sense, for them, because healthcare is basically triage. A care provider does their best in moment given the knowledge and resources they have. Then they do the same for another dozen patients, every single day.<p>But you shouldn&#x27;t give up.<p>If you&#x27;re suffering, there&#x27;s a cause. Keep asking. Keep searching. Someone out there has the answers you need.
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markus_zhang超过 1 年前
I have been missing sleep since child was born. The post is pretty accurate. I now fully understand why some people don&#x27;t want to get kids.
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tomxor超过 1 年前
Missing an important bullet point:<p>* Sleep deprivation reduces immune system function.<p>I was surprised when <i>none</i> of the gov advice during covid included &quot;improve your sleep&quot;, because that&#x27;s one of the best ways to strengthen your immune system, reduce your chances of contracting illnesses, and improve your chances of a fast and complication free recovery.
foxfired超过 1 年前
Hallucinations! Add it to the list [1].<p>I&#x27;ve experienced most if not all that was described here. And I look 10 years older. But I&#x27;m so glad I can sleep normal hours again.<p>[1]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;idiallo.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;stopped-sleeping-started-hallucinating" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;idiallo.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;stopped-sleeping-started-hallucinat...</a>
c7DJTLrn超过 1 年前
Reading this after staying awake all night.<p>I wish I had control over my sleep like others seem to. It would be awesome if I could pass out at 10pm and wake up 8am. That kind of schedule is just impossible for me though. Night time is when my brain kicks into gear and then when I finally do sleep, I find it extremely difficult to wake up.<p>These days I&#x27;m sleeping between roughly 7am to 4pm. Recently I slept 18 hours. If I could fix it somehow I would. It&#x27;s completely out of my control.
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skeeter2020超过 1 年前
Not saying most or all of these are not true, but this list liberally mixes causation and correlation, without any sort of reference to the controlling for second and third-order effects. So if you stay up late AND eat shitty food AND don&#x27;t exercise, yep you&#x27;ll be at risk of weight gain, diabetes and a shorter lifespan, and maybe lack of sleep plays a role but you can&#x27;t say it&#x27;s the root cause.
thejackgoode超过 1 年前
For anyone interested, there&#x27;s an interesting fact that adenosine build-up due to sleep deprivation improves depression briefly, in many cases [1]. It&#x27;s not a treatment, obviously, personally I have used it as an immediate relief technique.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3566717&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3566717&#x2F;</a>
Patternnoticer超过 1 年前
Sleep is a time machine... The sooner I go to sleep, the sooner work comes in the morning.
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morjom超过 1 年前
As a narcoleptic these always remind me that I&#x27;m kind of screwed on many fronts. I still try to do the good things (been going for morning walks, slowly getting to the point I don&#x27;t have my phone with me in bed, drinking lots of water).<p>Sorry kind of a rant.
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swah超过 1 年前
I can sleep 6~7 hours most nights and never wake up rested and energized. Usually I attribute this to getting older, but then once every couple months I wake up feeling like a young guy, full of energy... and can&#x27;t really trace that back to diet or caffeine intake easily. Next thing I plan to try is some kind of optimism... I&#x27;m naturally a melancholic, a pessimist, like always thinking about the worst case kind of person and wonder how much all that worry (health, kids, savings, job...) affects the sleep.
starbugs超过 1 年前
I successfully trained myself to fall asleep using deep brown noise.<p>This obviously is not a cure-all against sleep deprivation, but it&#x27;s easy to try out and, at least for me, it made falling asleep so much easier.
foundart超过 1 年前
The article itself points to prior discussion on HN from 2022<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30184796">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=30184796</a>
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throwaway5959超过 1 年前
I delay sleep because there are a couple of coworkers that are impossible, and the more I delay sleep, the later I will have to deal with them.
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drones超过 1 年前
I have not slept well since I was 12 years old. I fear I have permanently damaged my cognitive abilities because of this.
l5870uoo9y超过 1 年前
&gt; More substance abuse&#x2F;addiction (alcohol and caffiene, specifically) [ironically both depressants and stimulents]<p>Is caffeine really a depressant? I have great joy in consuming caffeine either from Japanese Sencha tea, Matcha, or occasionally a non-watery Americano.
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losvedir超过 1 年前
As the father of a 3 week old, I feel this!<p>I&#x27;ve been very interested in getting more data about just how much and what kind of sleep I&#x27;m getting. I know smart watches these days claim to provide that. Anyone know how accurate it is, and which watches are best for it?
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gavinhoward超过 1 年前
Thank you to the author for this.<p>I struggle to have the discipline to get enough sleep. I&#x27;m going to bookmark this, pin it in a tab, and use it to remind myself that the consequences of my stupidity are greater than what I would accomplish by staying awak.
totetsu超过 1 年前
this post for the same author about their decent into madness and loss of sens of self is an interesting read. Specifically its interesting how a universal experience of ego destruction is made send of afterwards in such a way that is so individualized to that persons age and culture. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lesswrong.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;L9q5iFJAggvoWNrRf&#x2F;that-time-i-went-a-little-bit-insane" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lesswrong.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;L9q5iFJAggvoWNrRf&#x2F;that-time-...</a>
mitko超过 1 年前
As someone who currently runs on decreased sleep, I can relate to a bunch of these.<p>But in my case, the root cause seems to be stress from increased load, and the higher cortisol levels it creates
iilfat超过 1 年前
&lt;&lt; No one likes talking to you or being around you in general because you become asshole-ish and&#x2F;or a loner<p>Like this one :) It definitely happens all the time
bman_kg超过 1 年前
fighting with this problem for long time, so far my sleep got much better than previous months and years, lots of thanks to author for short and to the point plain English explanation, I like the writing style a lot. I learned a lot in just a minute, thats productive for me.
swayvil超过 1 年前
Weakened immune system.<p>Slower healing.
2devnull超过 1 年前
I only need 2-3 hours. I wish I could get more. You learn to use it as an advantage.
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