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Analysis of the California Delete Act

80 点作者 robbiet480超过 1 年前

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ds超过 1 年前
Some things to note, unless the bill was modified from the version I read before being signed into law:<p>This doesnt apply to any information which is public record as a matter-of-fact.<p>So if you voted, your address and name is public record and can be used and displayed by these sites. If you got a DUI, your mugshot and arrest record may be public record and can be displayed. If you got into a custody battle and your court case was public, that can be displayed. And I guess that all makes sense in the end. If you got into a DUI, how does the government get to tell random website X that they are not allowed to say that you got into a DUI, especially when the information was public record.<p>So to be clear, if the peoplefinder style websites want to keep whitepages.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;john-smith online with an address, phone number and mugshot- They can tell you to pound sand and do so. This bill cant stop that.<p>Honestly, Theres alot of hype about this bill in general which is going to be... interesting... when people fail to understand what it can and cant be used for.<p>Additionally, this bill comes with a caveat that the sites can request proof you are living in california currently, via a license scan or some other method you get to now hand over to the data broker.<p>That said, in our research for <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;redact.dev" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;redact.dev</a> supporting these features from a pure API only interaction, is that most of the sites just delete you if you use their form. They dont want the headache of insane users threatening them and doing crazy shit because they dont delete their profile. And honestly the people who go through these removal processes are less than 1% of the stored data, so its mostly just a cost of doing business.
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tzs超过 1 年前
&gt; SB 362 received a cumulative vote of 153 for it and 38 against it the various times it was voted on the floor of the two houses and in multiple committees. That’s over 80%-win rate. It received a Republican vote on the Assembly floor, making it bipartisan.<p>Wait...the final Senate vote was:<p><pre><code> D R Yes 31 0 No 1 8 </code></pre> and the final Assembly vote was:<p><pre><code> D R Yes 52 1 No 14 14 </code></pre> and it is considered bipartisan because a <i>single</i> R voted yes?!
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parhamn超过 1 年前
California&#x27;s consumer protection feels like EU levels right now. With such a big economy and influence on other states, it feels like they&#x27;re becoming a singular driving force for policy for (at least) blue states.<p>e.g. I suspect Skittles won&#x27;t have a &quot;California recipe&quot; to avoid Red No 3 which will effectively make it national law.<p>Has the rate with which they&#x27;re driving consumer protection gone up as a legitimate broader strategy or is it just part of the Newsome might run activity?
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404mm超过 1 年前
I’m going to identify as California resident more than usual. &#x2F;s<p>Cali has some decent laws when it comes to consumer protection. I’d love to see more of them on federal level.
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jjtheblunt超过 1 年前
&gt; Californians will be able to delete all personal online data in first-in-US law<p>Considering the government has in no way regulated phone solicitors or spam, how could anyone assume this law would have any effect? I mean, lawbreakers ignore laws, and spammers hoard personal data.<p>edit: the Los Angeles Times article&#x27;s first sentence is less hyperbolic, more sober...<p>&gt; Californians will be able to make a single request asking that data brokers delete their personal information, under a bill Gov. Gavin Newsom signed into law Tuesday.
offmycloud超过 1 年前
&gt; In 2026 Californians will now have the ability to use this accessible deletion mechanism that the CPPA will set up over the next two years.<p>Editorialized headline (&quot;Californians now able&quot;) is false, not available for another two years.
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dang超过 1 年前
Recent and related:<p><i>California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37524158">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37524158</a> - Sept 2023 (145 comments)<p>Also:<p><i>&#x27;Delete Act&#x27; seeks to give Californians more power to block data tracking</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35691243">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=35691243</a> - April 2023 (131 comments)
bloppe超过 1 年前
&quot;right now is being sold by hundreds of data brokers to anyone with a credit card.&quot;<p>Has anybody tried to actually buy data from a data broker? I haven&#x27;t found it to be nearly as easy as this makes it seem. Looking for tips &#x2F; suggestions on brokers who might sell me my own information for decently cheap :) for academic purposes of course...<p>I do like this law tho.
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neilv超过 1 年前
Can someone who knows more about policy sausage-making than I do, comment on how good&#x2F;bad this is?<p>I don&#x27;t know what to think about California seeming to set an upper limit on privacy policy for the country.<p>California&#x27;s revenues seem partly tied to some of the worst invaders of privacy, and presumably Californian legislation gets industry input.<p>At one point, I naively wondered whether a wealthy and independent-minded state like Texas might lead this (a bit like they have with textbooks). I guess they&#x27;re pretty tied now, too, and also have a lot of anti-regulation voters.
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silisili超过 1 年前
I wonder how strictly said tool will validate the user is actually a CA resident? Hopefully not much, I&#x27;d probably try to use it anyways as someone not living in CA.<p>I remember emailing a site that apparently scraped LinkedIn, asking them to remove my information. They told me to fill out a form attesting I lived in California. When I told them I did not live in California, they told me to just sign it anyways and they&#x27;d proceed - and they did. So how many other companies are really checking each individual for truthiness? Doing so would seem impossible at such a scale.
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PeterStuer超过 1 年前
As with many initiatives in this domain, you have to be cautious. First I want to say clearly I am vehemently opposed to the current state of &quot;personal data brokering&quot; which is basically the same or even goes <i>far</i> beyond what we condem in other totalitarion regimes. I also believe that anyone should have the right to know about, respond to and append comments with equal weight to personal information that is gathered and published on them.<p>But the devil as always is in the details and more often than not these &#x27;sounds good&#x27; initiatives on this front have perverse effects, either intentional or unintended though judging from the past the former is far more likely than the latter.<p>A central registry for all personal profile data brokers makes it so <i>very</i> convenient for agencies that already can demand access to all the data on a peer basis, to now basically have a central shopping catalog in which you have to register by law.<p>Also, their seem to be very many exemptions to the right to have your data purged. Things that people imagine might happen after they submit such a request in many cases wont.<p>Admittedly I do not have the competence to the level of detail required to flesh out the exact consequences of each word in a bill , its interpretation or its implementation.<p>If more competent experts can. Here&#x27;s the current text as a start <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leginfo.legislature.ca.gov&#x2F;faces&#x2F;billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB362" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leginfo.legislature.ca.gov&#x2F;faces&#x2F;billTextClient.xhtm...</a>
CSSer超过 1 年前
As someone who’s been doing a lot of database design lately, how does everyone plan to handle referential integrity if laws like this become more commonplace or widely applicable?<p>Is it silly to suggest that laws like these could make cascade on delete a whole lot more commonplace?
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kanary超过 1 年前
This plan sounds like a billion dollars will go to a consulting firm to try to build a system that does a magic 1-click opt out. But it will be extremely difficult to accommodate all the edge cases that come with integrating 500+ varying sources of varying levels of quality of personal data. The legal system alone has the power to change enforcement, any thoughts on why they aren&#x27;t focusing there?
whatsup7123超过 1 年前
This is a good move, especially with the emergence of OpenAI&#x2F;ChatGPT which makes the &quot;data is more valuable than oil&quot; statement increasingly accurate. Individuals should be in control of data they publish online, whether it is behind a password or not. You should be able to delete any data you post, instantly, from all backups, at any time and without any backlash.
qingcharles超过 1 年前
I wish I could just <i>get</i> my data. There are laws that require this, but Google won&#x27;t let me get my data from my account because I lost the phone number, even though I have the username, password, recovery email and all the email gets forwarded to my other account. They say they have no way to prove it is me. I have argued on the phone with them for hours about it.
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ChrisArchitect超过 1 年前
Thought I was going crazy that this was already passed.<p>There was already a ton of discussion about this a month ago. Anything new here? Other than it passing across the Governor&#x27;s desk?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37524158">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37524158</a>
nsenifty超过 1 年前
&quot;Will soon be able&quot;
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beebeepka超过 1 年前
Deleted or marked as deleted. I&#x27;ll let you decide since I am too jaded.
rwhyan超过 1 年前
TLDR;<p>&gt; the Delete Act would empower the CPPA to develop a system by 2026 that allows residents to make a single data deletion request across the nearly 500 registered data brokers operating in the state. The CPPA would also be charged with enforcing provisions of the Delete Act, such as requiring data broker registration and ensuring brokers delete an individual&#x27;s personal information every 45 days upon receipt of a verified request.<p>Source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iapp.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;a&#x2F;california-legislature-passes-delete-act-for-pi-aggregated-by-data-brokers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;iapp.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;a&#x2F;california-legislature-passes-delete...</a>
wkat4242超过 1 年前
Nice one. Time to bring that in in Europe too!
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DamnYuppie超过 1 年前
I have not read the legislation so this maybe an obvious and silly question. Does this also apply to credit agencies?
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datatrashfire超过 1 年前
*Californians will be able to delete personal online data at companies with staff competent enough to remove the data
littlestymaar超过 1 年前
Does that mean HN will eventually start allowing deleting old posts (or even entire accounts)?
aktuel超过 1 年前
So all this data here is actually about you, huh? Well, thanks for the confirmation!
RajT88超过 1 年前
I bet that button will be really hard to find.
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