EU member states still cannot agree about end-to-end encryption

Initiatives like Chat Control makes me pessimistic. They keep on coming in all sort of variations and we defend. Given enough of such iterations, at some point though they’ll eventually be lucky and god knows how long it will take to revert things. And what I don’t get is that this sort of proposed legislation is more than Stasi could&#x27;ve ever wished. And yet it’s openly discussed as if it’s good idea. And note that “they” are supposed to represent “us”.<p>It freaks me out to the point that I rather have my country leave the EU.

It&#x27;s like with data retention, first against child abuse and terrorism and then suddenly also against copyright infringement.<p>Not to mention the dubious benefit of preventing abuse.

What EU is afraid of if they think they need Stasi level of surveillance?<p>Many Europeans still remember the dark times before 1989. Why there is a need to come back to it?

Chat Control is really about Thought Control. Today a customs and border agent in France freaks out if he cannot see what&#x27;s in your phone or laptop, but what he&#x27;s really after is inspecting your thoughts and memories. When neuralink succeeds in its effort to make a brain reading device, it will be used frivolously in EU and US airports, and hiding your thoughts, or obscuring them with encryption-like methods, will be grounds for throwing you in jail. The idea that the strong must <i>control</i> the weak is rapidly spreading in Europe.

So I guess we have to wait to see if EtoE encryption is banned and&#x2F;or client side scanning becomes mandatory.<p>What is the best path of action for someone who is privacy minded? Buy a dumb phone?

The day the EU forbids E2E is the day I start to actively root for my country to exit.

While the discussion is important, this article is old

Buh they&#x27;re going to lose more citizens.

This is one of the most important topics

&gt; “Ideally, in our view,” they say, “it would be desirable to legislatively prevent EU-based service providers from implementing end-to-end encryption.”<p>- Spain<p>It is hard to even comment on in idea that extreme. The rest of us are lucky the EU has failed so comprehensively at establishing a global tech presence.

How comes people using the well-known &quot;children protection&quot; manipulation and the &quot;I have nothing to hide&quot; fallacy to legally (thogh unenforceably) destroy privacy creating a total surveilance dystopia and put everyone in iminent danger (because whatever secrets only a government agency has access to, will sooner or later leak anway) are allowed to shape EU policies? To me they clearly seem either intentionally malevolent or fundamentally ignorant (thus professionally inadequate for the job) actors. Or am I wrong?

Who cares ? AFAIK the parliament is against snooping, so it won&#x27;t pass.