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Don't work with assholes

77 点作者 frans超过 1 年前

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bouke超过 1 年前
&gt; With a young family and a new life beginning, I did not want to ruin the limited time I have on this earth with my loved ones being a dad whose head is somewhere else, rather than enjoying these moments together. This a*hole wasn&#x27;t worth it. I paid him off to leave us alone.<p>While understandable from his POV, I&#x27;m disappointed to see the guy getting paid for services not rendered, and so reinforcing his tactics.
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Beijinger超过 1 年前
&quot; In spite of my intuition telling me not to.&quot;<p>Always go with your intuition<p>&quot;There was a lot of work to do to get the materials together for him. I invested months of time in a back-and-forth with him, with me compiling and developing this information.&quot;<p>ROTFL. Old story. You have an seriously interested buyer? Charge a non-reimbursable upfront payment that will be credited towards the deal, should there be one. This will compensate for the amount of time you have to invest. The buyer bulks. Why? Walk away.<p>His advices 1 to 3 are excellent. I give you a few more for free<p>a) It is never too early to walk away from something bad<p>b) Do you know what is the death of every business deal? Lengthy negotiations<p>c) If someone uses a word, an expression, a sentence that sounds odd to you. Something that you would not use in this context. Never ever let this slide as a hick up, mistake, or whatever. Always make sure to ask what exactly he means by this. E.g. talking about license deals when talking about a VC investment (don&#x27;t ask, please don&#x27;t ask for the story).
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mnky9800n超过 1 年前
this is sort of besides the point of the article, but why do people make businesses to sell them? as a scientist, i am not terribly interested in giving away the ideas that i have worked on for, typically, years. i become quite invested in them and continue to pursue them and evolve them until the funding runs out or new interests pop up that are worth replacing the old ones (typically this is an evolution as well). So to me, working hard for many years to build a company only to hand it to someone else seems like its not really a rewarding experience. I understand the part where people do this for money, but is there no personal investment? why would a business run the same without the person who did all the work doing it? i guess if the business is plumbing, and you have a list of clients who regularly call you to do plumbing, and then you don&#x27;t want to do plumbing anymore because you are tired of it, you are really just selling the list of clients. and because your company has the brand recognition, you can say, well this guy is going to do your plumbing from now on but its still good old mnky9800n plumbing. still seems like a risky idea, but i guess if you are fully divested from the venture then what do you care? except for the likelihood that someone else will not care so much about mnky9800n plumbing as me.
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blkhawk超过 1 年前
I can&#x27;t help myself and have to speculate how to reverse UNO this: Basically the scam works because as a &quot;defender&quot; in this legal attack our plucky founder has to do a good and expensive job defending himself while the ass-tacker knowing he has no hope of winning can do a crappy bad job just dragging stuff out. The business relationship they had gives this probably enough of a cover to not get tossed out right away. Since generally in the US each party pays their own expenses this works for ass-tacker.<p>Now if you turn this around simply pay ass-tacker what he asked for then sue him for having done a bad job on the sale he had no part in but invoiced you for. Since ass-tacker now needs to defend he has to spend money disproportionately. There have to be legal firms that do this service for you.
CipherThrowaway超过 1 年前
&gt;What did give me pause was how he handled negotiations over a clause in our potential agreement. He didn&#x27;t listen to my concerns, and didn&#x27;t budge one inch.<p>I&#x27;ve learned to listen to my gut in these situations. The worse your gut feeling is about an agreement, the harder you should push back on it until you can negotiate something that you&#x27;re comfortable with. I usually give new relationships the benefit of the doubt once. Your first bad gut feeling can be wrong, but I&#x27;ve always regretted moving past a second bad gut feeling.<p>Be extremely suspicious if your counterpart tries to rush you through a contract negotiation process by downplaying the importance of the agreement while simultaneously refusing to budge on it.
bjarneh超过 1 年前
That really wasn&#x27;t the ending I was hoping for here. It almost looks like the legal system is made specifically to benefit these kind of trolls. They can drag cases with no merit over years, leaving you with lawyer fees etc. during that period.
SnoJohn超过 1 年前
Robert Ringer wrote the classic on this type of behavior: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robert_Ringer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Robert_Ringer</a><p>It&#x27;s called Winning Through Intimidation, and it is a very funny story of how he learned to not get burned in real estate transactions by being prepared for the inevitable tricks people would try to play on him. Short and lots of sage advice.
neilv超过 1 年前
&gt; <i>Peace and love to everyone out there. Including the broker.</i><p>The writer warned a lot of founders&#x2F;owners of a problem they might encounter, in many M&amp;A proceedings, which is great.<p>Also, maybe they wanted to get it off their chest. And getting blog content out of a bad experience is a silver lining.<p>But I&#x27;m skeptical of &quot;love&quot; for the broker. Especially if people who wanted to know who that broker is could figure it out. Then broker might be more likely to call it &quot;libel&quot; than &quot;love&quot;.<p>My current thinking is that sometimes you should dance around some of the details of warnings that come from experience. Vague but honest phrases like &quot;I&#x27;ve heard of&quot; and &quot;I&#x27;ve seen in the field&quot; can help. As can being informed and motivated by first-hand experience, but using second-hand public examples from other instances of the problem, when communicating about the general problem.
DanielHB超过 1 年前
One thing I learned while buying my home is that most middleman in this kind of environment care more about volume of sales than value of sale, even if they are on commission. Increasing the sale price by 10% might mean 10% more in his bank account at the cost of much more work for himself and missed opportunity of closing other sales.
GerryB超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s common to find this kind of asshole behavior in residential real estate agents. It can be understood when you realize they get a commision as a fraction of the sale price. This does NOT make their interests align with yours! Unintuitively, it is usually in their interest to sell your home as cheaply as possible (!) in order to sell QUICKLY. They would much rather sell your $1M house in two weeks as opposed to a $1.2M price which would take them four weeks of work. Their payday in terms of income per week of effort is far far higher in the lowball case.. the one that screws you, their &quot;client&quot;, out of significant money.
neilv超过 1 年前
&gt; <i>Guess who has a strong interest in the holding company? He does! Here we have a broker, purportedly acting for the seller in a transaction, who also benefits from a holding company as a buyer. I&#x27;m not a lawyer, but if that&#x27;s not a conflict I don&#x27;t know what is.</i><p>What government authority regulates this kind of broker (e.g., is there a fiduciary responsbility?), and investigates conflicts of interest like the one alleged here?<p>Or is that entirely a civil matter?
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jerrre超过 1 年前
Offtopic: this title seems to mess with the title AutoCapitalizer
TheDong超过 1 年前
&quot;This guy was trying to make a profit, what an asshole. I, on the other hand, made and sold a snake-oil SEO shopify plugin, and sure, some of the shopify users who have purchased fine snake-oil from me may think I&#x27;m an asshole ...&quot;<p>If you&#x27;re going to take the moral high ground, I feel like table stakes are to not have made a ponzi, cryptocurrency, ad network, murder-for-hire, timeshare, or SEO service.
zcw100超过 1 年前
There is a book about it called &quot;The no Asshole Rule&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_No_Asshole_Rule#:~:text=The%20theme%20of%20this%20book,the%20same%20degree%20of%20awfulness%22" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_No_Asshole_Rule#:~:text=Th...</a>.
epups超过 1 年前
Honestly, this story is just unsatisfying with the level of details provided, and ends up with action that is opposite to its title - don&#x27;t work with asshole, but pay them off when they make ridiculous demands?<p>Seems to me like the author signed a bad contract and was forced to comply, even though the services rendered were underwhelming.
dale_glass超过 1 年前
This also applies in non-business contexts.<p>If you have a nice open source project, minecraft server, web forum, whatever: get rid of the assholes. Even if they are a highly capable person, in the end it&#x27;s not worth it. They&#x27;ll turn off other valuable community members, cause drama, and shift the general atmosphere to the worse.
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wg0超过 1 年前
This is a side noob question. Is there a platform&#x2F;website&#x2F;portal where such businesses are listed for sale and purchase? Like someone interested in selling their indie thingy? Or a company interested in buying few projects of specific type&#x2F;niche&#x2F;market etc?
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robg超过 1 年前
When you deal with a*holes don’t be surprised when you’re covered in sh*t.
LLcolD超过 1 年前
What is M&amp;A that is referenced in article?
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ryaneager超过 1 年前
You can say asshole, it’s 2023 no one will get offended. No need for this pointless self-censoring.
pelasaco超过 1 年前
Any way to proof that the author actually sold his company by a better price than initially said? Otherwise it&#x27;s just a bad sci-fi.<p>What I learned from this story? You&#x27;re always the bad guy in someone&#x27;s story. Specially if this someone has a blog, time to blog and get linked to HN.
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