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EU Chat Control Bill Postponed

247 点作者 BramLovesYams超过 1 年前

11 条评论

wkat4242超过 1 年前
Good. But this will keep festering until it is killed for sure.<p>And even then they will just rehash it in a different form and push it again.<p>The problem is also, this won&#x27;t work. The pervs will simply use something else, prompting even stronger regulation to avoid having unapproved apps etc. Meanwhile we will all live in a panopticon society for no tangible benefits. In the end it could even kill FOSS and open computing because anyone who can edit the code can edit out the spyware.
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tjpnz超过 1 年前
I would love to see some bus posters put up around Brussels naming the idiots most responsible for this. I&#x27;m tired of public servants (elected or otherwise) pushing bullshit and then getting to disown it later on.
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p0w3n3d超过 1 年前
<p><pre><code> Postponed != win Postponed = () =&gt; await nextCrisis() .then(crisis =&gt; introduceUncomfortableLegislationBecauseOf(crisis))</code></pre>
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Macha超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s good that it seems to be hitting challenges as it felt like a lost cause. There was talk of &quot;it will never pass in the EU parliament&quot;, but it felt the same as when everyone declared victory on the UK&#x27;s recent anti-E2EE regulation and then it turned out nothing had changed between the draft and the final bill.
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rdm_blackhole超过 1 年前
Foe reference the individuals and organizations pushing for the mass surveillance of the EU citizens under the guise of protecting the children are:<p>Ylva Johansson, the EU Home Office Commissioner. She&#x27;s openly anti-encryption and has said she doesn&#x27;t care about privacy or security concerns. She won&#x27;t even meet with any group that disagrees with her.<p>Thierry Breton, the European Commissioner for Internal Market. He is working with Ylva Johansson and Thorn to pass Chat Control.<p>Monique Pariat, European Commission’s Director-General for Migration and Home Affairs<p>Catherine de Bolle, Europol Executive Director<p>Julie Cordua, CEO of Thorn.<p>Cathal Delaney, Former Europol employee who now works for Thorn.<p>Ruiz Perez, Senior former Europol official Fernando, who now is on Thorn&#x27;s board.<p>Alan M. Parker, British billionaire, and founder of the Oak Foundation that bankrolls the fake charities lobbying for Chat Control.<p>Chris Cohn, British billionaire hedge fund manager and Google activist investor. He provides funding for anti-encryption lobbying in the North American and the EU.<p>Ashton Kutcher, Demi Moore. They try to whitewash Thorn&#x27;s actions while lobbying on their behalf. The EU government let them bypass civil rights groups with their lobbying due to their fame. Other actors involved with Thorn can be found [here](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Thorn_(organization)" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Thorn_(organization)</a>).<p>Ernie Allen, chair of the WeProtect Global Alliance, WPGA, and former head of the National Centre for Missing &amp; Exploited Children, NCMEC, in the US. Part of the network of fake charities and corrupt organizations lobbying to ban encryption and privacy.<p>Sarah Gardner, former Thorn employee and now the head of the Heat Initiative. Part of the network of fake charities and corrupt organizations lobbying to ban encryption and privacy. She&#x27;s focus on US lobbying.<p>Lily Rhodes, former Thorn employee and now the director of strategic operations at the Heat Initiative. Part of the network of fake charities and corrupt organizations lobbying to ban encryption and privacy. She&#x27;s focus on US lobbying.<p>Maciej Szpunar, Polish Advocate General at the European Court of Justice. Wants to use the proposal for prosecuting copyright infringement.<p>Other individuals involved are: Margrethe Vestager, Margaritis Schinas, Antonio Labrador Jimenez, Douglas Griffiths, Javier Zarzalejos.<p>A non exhaustive list of the fake charities and corrupt organizations involved:<p>ECPAT, Eurochild, Missing Children Europe, Internet Watch Foundation, Terre des Hommes, Brave Movement, Thorn, Oak Foundation, WeProtect Global Alliance, Justice Initiative, Purpose<p>Organizations operating more in North America: Hopewell Fund, Heat Initiative, Children’s Investment Fund Foundation<p>Finally, let&#x27;s not forget that Ashton Kutcher, the darling of VCs, had to step down from his position at Thorn after submitting letters in support of their fellow actor and friend, a convicted rapist.<p>If he is willing to push for such privacy invasive measures in EU, he won&#x27;t stop there, he will come for you in the US as well.
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gamesbrainiac超过 1 年前
How do we as Europeans make sure that this ugly piece of legislation never rears its ugly head again.
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walterbell超过 1 年前
<p><pre><code> The draft law makes it clear that chat control is a surveillance tool: Non-public communication services are to be exempted, for example if they are &quot;used for national security purposes.&quot; This is to protect &quot;confidential information, including classified information.&quot; States do not want chat control for their own communications to avoid surveillance .. Poland demanded that only chats of &quot;people under concrete suspicion&quot; should be scanned .. Netherlands and Germany want to exempt audio telephony, while Sweden wants to exempt communications over mobile networks. </code></pre> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsfromuncibal.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;the-death-of-the-rules-based-order" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsfromuncibal.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;the-death-of-the-rule...</a><p><i>&gt; The making and enforcement of rules – abstract, general, binding and enforceable; ‘thou shalt not steal’ – were once considered to be the essence of government. But rules are, in modern governance circles, considered to be about as outmoded and silly a tool of governing as there can possibly be ... The focus is on institutional architecture and the relationships among private and public actors, rather than on the substantive prescription of state legislation, rules, and judicial decisions ... Global governance has become deeply impatient and dissatisfied with the wearisome business of rule-making and especially rule enforcement. Rules are rigid; rules are boring; rules are annoyingly transparent in respect of their breach.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37479001">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37479001</a><p><i>&gt; This article explains a phenomenon I&#x27;ve been observing with growing uneasiness that I couldn&#x27;t quite put my finger on till now ... this trend towards delegating power and decision making to an individual office or committee is an abandonment of this [rule of law] principle in favor of a return to rule by individuals who decide at their whim whether to allow or prohibit a thing, where by simply being in favor with certain bureaucrats one can be immune from accountability where politically unpopular targets can be harassed by the state without end simply because they are not politically favored.</i>
sylware超过 1 年前
Instead of trying to outlaw encryption, they should stick to Big Tech regulation as the road is still long there.<p>For instance, significant web sites must have a functionning noscript&#x2F;basic (x)html portal where reasonable (and you can browse maps more than ok with noscript&#x2F;basic (x)html browsers). Just think semantic 2D simple HTML documents (tables are <i>not</i> harmful), and the table &quot;rules&quot; are semantic information in a 2D documents. And when I say &quot;semantic&quot;, it is not that abomination of &quot;semantic&quot; web from a decade ago.
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leotravis10超过 1 年前
From the EU&#x27;s own EDPS with a damming comment:<p>&quot;In its current form, the CSAM proposal would fundamentally change the internet and digital communication as we know it, and that will be a point of no return.&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edps.europa.eu&#x2F;system&#x2F;files&#x2F;2023-10&#x2F;edsp_briefing-note_csam_proposal-the_point_of_no_return_0.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;edps.europa.eu&#x2F;system&#x2F;files&#x2F;2023-10&#x2F;edsp_briefing-no...</a>
denton-scratch超过 1 年前
&gt; while Sweden wants to exempt communications over mobile networks<p>So let me get that straight: they want to allow Chat Control only on fixed-line networks? Do they have landline phones in Sweden that can run chat apps?<p>That looks like a spoiler tactic to me.
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inglor_cz超过 1 年前
So, they will wait until the attention wears off, then try to push it through again.<p>Let me remind you of a quote by former EC President Juncker:<p>&quot;We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don&#x27;t understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.&quot;<p>That is how the Commission operates. No wonder that many, including me, have serious trust issues towards them.
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