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Wait, is cloud bad?

62 点作者 forrestbrazeal超过 1 年前

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bob1029超过 1 年前
Cloud is just like any other tool. Apply cloud with competence &amp; positive intentions, and you will likely succeed. Approach cloud with prejudice &amp; disdain and you could only have an unhappy experience.<p>A lot has changed since AWS&#x2F;EC2 was launched. Almost 2 decades have passed. It is time to refine our thinking if we are still stuck in the world of VMs and containers. I think the next big wave is &quot;cloud native&quot;, but I have detected some problems. Between all of the partners, vendors &amp; customers I work with, I&#x27;m operating with 5+ totally unique &amp; mutually-exclusive definitions of what this term <i>actually</i> means.<p>The harsh reality that I&#x27;ve arrived at is that an aggressive application of first-party-only-actually-cloud-native-for-real will result in the loss of 80%+ of existing IT&#x2F;dev staff in most big org charts. I&#x27;ve been on several consulting calls this month alone that indicate much of the ongoing on-prem+cloud hybrid clown shows are simply an ass-covering exercise. We showed a truly cloud native SaaS app ecosystem to a prospect and their developers flipped into a very defensive posture within seconds of realizing how few resources we used to eclipse their in-house efforts.<p>To be clear - I still don&#x27;t think cloud is for everyone, but if you are going to do it half-assed, I won&#x27;t bother considering the statistical relevance of your attempt.
swatcoder超过 1 年前
Of course it’s not bad, but its value was clouded (sorry) by a generation of cargo culting that made it seem equally ideal for all projects and businesses.<p>It’s not. Traditional hosting, data center relationships, and “server in the closet” still give competitive advantage to organizations that use them wisely.<p>There’s really not much else to say that isn’t just meaningless rambling about imagined orgs&#x2F;projects that better run here or there.<p>What most orgs need is just an astute advisor who isn’t sold on any one solution and can identify the right fit. And of they can’t afford that, they’re probably fine on a cheap VPS. :)
dijit超过 1 年前
No, cloud isnt bad.<p>However you have to really know what you are buying.<p>Some stuff; cloud computing is exceptional.<p>Want to prototype a full deployment? want to get it into production?<p>The defaults are pretty good (in GCP at least) and can lead you to a highly reliable system pretty easily.<p>However. On the whole cloud is anywhere from 5-11x the cost on paper. Operationally it might save you half the time assuming you have a good dedicated hosting provider nearby- and you don’t need to reinvent some primitives such as blob storage.<p>Theres a lot of discussion surrounding what I refer to as “cloud myths”. In every thread where cloud is mentioned someone will say one of the following:<p>* Headcount savings<p>* competence savings<p>* near-infinite scalability.<p>Unfortunately you need specific competences for cloud (most effort is on the OS level <i>anyway</i> even with colo so all you have done is add the burden of abstraction and it is a lot of abstraction), headcounts are comparable too- especially when you talk about finops, devops (terraform etc). Same too for infinite scale. I have looked down the barrel at how scalable cloud is- unless you&#x27;re giving a couple months heads up, if your compute use is high you can easily exhaust a region or zone.<p>If you are happy to spend 5x more to get where you&#x27;re going faster then cloud is pretty great. But my advice is to have a plan to migrate to something cheaper once you figure out your baseline.
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JoeyBananas超过 1 年前
The point of the cloud is that you can use it to achieve high reliability. It&#x27;s not that people who use the cloud are too dumb to run a server, it&#x27;s that they don&#x27;t have the time to get in the business of being a server farmer. The cloud is good when you have more money than time.
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siliconc0w超过 1 年前
IMO what cloud really unlocks is development velocity. IMO the best setup would be allow the cloud for bursting and for rapid development but build a server platform team to bring stable workloads into the datacenter. An exception might be object storage which is still a pretty good deal. I run a personal app on Cloud Run that uses sqlite+litestream and GCSFuse to mount a large dataset and it works reasonably well and costs next to nothing to run.
gijoeyguerra超过 1 年前
No.