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Ask HN: What is the best Keyboard nowadays?

18 点作者 Kevindish大约 13 年前
Hey hackers<p>I am standing for buying a new keyboard, but finding it difficult to find a really good one.<p>One thing I find is that many keyboards has numbers on them, which i never use, and i just makes the keyboard look more chunky.<p>I really like the Logitech Dinovo Edge - slim, good keys and looks good But it is some years old and use Bluetooth, the unify Ghz from logitech is a more seamless technoglogy.<p>I also liked the Logitech Media Desktop, slim, good keys again, but that is also years old, and do not work together with the new software that i use with the logitech MX Revolution mouse.<p>What keyboard do you use for your hacking? Help me hackers, I am curios to know! :)<p>-Kevin

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Piskvorrr大约 13 年前
Best <i>for what</i>?<p>For programming and writing, I'm extremely happy with my Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000. No interference, pairing or batteries to worry about - just plug into the USB port (1.8 metre cable) and off you go. The key travel and resistance is <i>just</i> right, so that my fingers don't tire after a whole day of work, and the ergonomic design helps against wrist pain (I've had that with straight keyboards). It does have numbers, though: both in the top row and on the numeric keypad (not sure what your issue with numbers is, they're quite essential in all the typing I do).<p>It also has some cute additions like the zoom lever, browser and multimedia keys, but that's just icing on the cake :)
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jbarham大约 13 年前
I bought the standalone Thinkpad keyboard [1] and love it. It's compact as it doesn't have a separate number pad, and feels just like the legendary Thinkpad keyboards. At $59 it's not cheap, but IMO is worth it.<p>FWIW it also includes a TrackPoint, but I never use it as I prefer a mouse.<p>1. <a href="http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=460&#38;Code=55Y9003&#38;category-id=3FB2CEB78A0F49D18148731559AF4603&#38;hide_menu_area=yes" rel="nofollow">http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPo...</a>
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drucken大约 13 年前
After having tried many keyboards in the past, now I only go for those that have the following features in order of priority:<p>1. mandatory: no built-in numpad, i.e. tenkeyless. This reduces the right hand mouse sweep and reduces strain on teres major, rotator cuff and right wrist.<p>2. mandatory: adjustable forward-back tilt, must be able to flatten to horizontal. Reduces wrist strain strain and makes it more comfortable to tuck elbows backwards and into your sides - the optimal position.<p>3. mandatory: wired and USB connectivity. Wireless/Bluetooth optional. Not a fan of worrying about input lag or driver support across varied hardware or OS.<p>4. optional: mechanical keys - tactical not clicky and equal to or lower than 45g actuation, i.e. Cherry MX Brown not the fancy clicky Blue (also has "bonus" of annoying coworkers), heavy Red, very heavy Black or quiet and heavy Clear. Topre switches are ok but hard to find and expensive. If normal rubber dome keys, then it better be a very good keyboard otherwise!<p>5. optional: full split with 40cm+ separation capability. I would rather have a Happy Hacking or normal tenkeyless keyboard than a full split keybard with less than 40cm+ separation.<p>Given all of the above, I use a <i>Kinesis Freestyle Solo</i> with Kinesis Low-Force Numeric Keypad.<p>Also, oddly enough some of the best keyboards are "gaming" keyboards due to how robust and well-spaced the keys are. But good luck finding one that is tenkeyless.
rmcrob大约 13 年前
I like a Steinway Baby Grand. It's expensive, but it doesn't have numbers.
sp332大约 13 年前
Here's an excellent (and funny) overview from Ars Technica of different kinds of switches in keyboards. <a href="http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/02/ask-ars-ergonomic-keyboards-101.ars" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/02/ask-ars-ergonomi...</a><p>The "Happy Hacking" keyboard looks very nice, and has no numeric keypad. But it's ridiculously expensive. edit: apparently RMS <a href="http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?13526-Richard-Stallman-%28proud-HHKB-user%29-Sez-It-s-OK-to-Block-Visa-for-Wikileak-Protest" rel="nofollow">http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?13526-Richard-Stallman-%2...</a> and Bjarne Stroustrup <a href="http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?18556-HHKB-spotted-on-desk-of-another-famous-programmer" rel="nofollow">http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?18556-HHKB-spotted-on-des...</a> use them :)<p>To actually answer your question, the wireless Apple keyboards have nice scissor switches and are surprisingly decent to program on. And no numbers on the side!
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jejones3141大约 13 年前
I will join philh and sepeth in saying I really like the TypeMatrix 2030. Even if you don't make the switch to Dvorak, which the TypeMatrix makes trivial--like the old "DVORTYboards" the switch is done at the keyboard, no messing with translation on the computer side--the non-offset rows of keys will give your hands a break. It does have CTRL where IBM keyboards put it rather than where God/DEC intended (next to the left pinky), but most of us have had to get used to that, alas.<p>They offer keyboard skins designed to fit the keyboard: either translucent (with no labels, to work with all variants), translucent with labels, or black with labels. An anecdote: the translucent skin I first got with the keyboard had worn through in spots, so I ordered two of the black Dvorak skins. They arrived, and happily fit far more snugly over the keyboard than the first had--but after a few minutes use, though, something was clearly wrong. Turned out I'd pressed the num shift key, but the skin covered the LED that would have shown the problem. A call to TypeMatrix turned up that it was a communications issue with the company that did the skins--they recommended a leather punch of appropriate diameter as a temporary fix, and said that once they have corrected skins, I should contact them with explanation and email address, and they'd send replacements back at no cost, no questions asked. IMHO, that's service. (Now if they'd just get it out of their head that blue for labels for Fn functions is some kind of standard and make them orange on the black skins, it would be perfect--though they are aware of that issue as well.)<p>UPDATE: Once I am again among the employed, I will ask my employer whether I can bring in my own keyboard (just as I'll ask about being able to bring in my spare Logitech trackball to use instead of a mouse), and if I can, buy a second TypeMatrix for the purpose.
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bdunbar大约 13 年前
I'll second the motion for Unicomp, Ultra Classic.<p>It's an IBM Model M keyboard, with updates.<p>It's clicky. I like this, personally. My hands love they keyboard, the feedback from the 'clicky'.<p>You mentioned 'looks' twice. This confuses me.<p>When I use a keyboard, I don't spend a lot of time looking at it. It's an input device. A tool.<p>What matters is how well it works, not that it looks sleek and ready to spring into the air. Get one your hands like, not your eyes.
woodrow大约 13 年前
Filco Majestouch Ninja Tenkeyless [1]<p>It's a mouthful, but the important points are 1) mechanical switches (mine has Cherry brown switches), 2) heavy -- it feels solid and stays put on your desk, and 3) no numpad. I guess there's also 4) it looks cool. It's the best keyboard I've ever used.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/det.php?prod_c=775" rel="nofollow">http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/det.php?prod_c=775</a>
aerique大约 13 年前
I was on a 3 month gig recently coding for iOS and I liked the keyboard that came with the iMac so much that I've bought another one for my main Linux development machine.<p>It does have a numeric keypad but there's also a wireless version available without: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Keyboard#Apple_Keyboard_.28109_keys.29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Keyboard#Apple_Keyboard_....</a> (I've got the A1243)<p>It does have some issues with key placement but that was easily solved with xmodmap.
asselinpaul大约 13 年前
I've heard really good things about Topre keyboards but can't afford one myself since I am a student. Google around to learn more but good models are:<p>-Topre Realforce 87U (around $260)<p>-Happy Hacking keyboards (around $300)<p>I told you they were expensive. Otherwise older IBM keyboards tend to have a good reputation (model M).<p>To find some great keyboards, you can have a look here : <a href="http://www.elitekeyboards.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.elitekeyboards.com/</a> (no I don't work for them).
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mattbriggs大约 13 年前
I find the feedback of a mechanical keyboard makes typing more enjoyable in a general way. At home I have a razor black widow which has cherry blue switches (which are my favorite), at work I have a dasKeyboard with cherry brown switches (much quieter so I don't irritate my team).<p>For me, nothing matches the visceral feel of mechanical keyboards. I have a friend who described it as feeling like he was typing with a machine gun
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mcartyem大约 13 年前
Here's my question: why are there arrow keys on a keyboard?<p>And if there must be, why aren't they on top rather than the bottom?<p>It is precisely the movement of tilting your wrist to the right and moving it back that causes strain. If the keys were on top, there's enough flesh around your elbow to allow extending the hand straight forward without strain.
drKreso大约 13 年前
Two best are Dinove Edge &#38; IBM model M... I have both and I prefer IBM (buckling spring is priceless when you grook it)
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rizumu大约 13 年前
I have a Happy Hacking and a DasKeyboard, and often I prefer the Das because I like the clicking sounds it makes. They are both excellent, but the keys do feel much nicer on the HHK. You have to learn to live without easy access to the arrow keys on the HHK. On the HHK arrows, pgup, and pgdwn requries holding the FN key.
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sepeth大约 13 年前
I love typematrix 2030 dvorak keyboard. <a href="http://www.typematrix.com/2030/why.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.typematrix.com/2030/why.php</a><p>But Control key position isn't good for Emacs users and there seems to be no alternative key to replace it with Control, like CapsLock on standard keyboards.
philh大约 13 年前
I'm a fan of the TypeMatrix 2030: <a href="http://typematrix.com/" rel="nofollow">http://typematrix.com/</a><p>It's not perfect - in particular, the double-height shift keys take too much good pinky real estate. But it's very comfortable.<p>I haven't tried any other ergonomic keyboards, so I can't compare.
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chx大约 13 年前
Kinesis FreeStyle with an Ascent. Your wrist will thank you for it.<p>Do not try to go vertical immediately. The Ascent is nicely notched, start at notch 1, work yourself up every 1-2 days. I know some people stopping before getting fully vertical. That's still better than all the horizontal keyboards.
jopython2大约 13 年前
I use the genius keyboard. No numpad and costs less than $20. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Genius-LuxeMate-Compact-Stylish-Keyboard/dp/B003YGVDDU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#38;qid=1333762634&#38;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Genius-LuxeMate-Compact-Stylish-Keyboa...</a>
sellably大约 13 年前
I think one of the biggest failings of Macs/Macbooks is the "feel" of their keyboards. I'd love to see what their industrial designers could do if tasks with making an IBM Type M sort of feel with an Apple twist.
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gergely大约 13 年前
I really love Dell's keyboard <a href="http://www.dpro.ru/netcat_files/catalog/1_12005.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.dpro.ru/netcat_files/catalog/1_12005.jpg</a> I found it quite ergonomic.
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eddie_the_head大约 13 年前
This one for APL of course: <a href="http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/adcolkey.html" rel="nofollow">http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/adcolkey.html</a>
bryanlarsen大约 13 年前
If you're looking for a cheap tenkeyless cherry blue that you can easily find locally, I recommend the cmstorm quickfire. Warning: it's gamer ugly.
wamatt大约 13 年前
Apple wireless keyboard is great. Really good form and function.<p>Of course, it helps if you've bought into the whole Apple ecosystem.
mcartyem大约 13 年前
What makes you believe there is a negative correlation between keyboard age and keyboard goodness?
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duiker101大约 13 年前
the one you are comfortable with