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The Israel-Palestine Debate Shows the Dangers of Groupthink

28 点作者 whack超过 1 年前

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catlover76超过 1 年前
The backlash against the student letters is understandable--the associated harassment is too far, but it&#x27;s understandable and within reason for people to feel that they were insensitive, or otherwise objectionable.<p>But artists signing a letter of this description:<p>&gt; Thousands of artists, academics and cultural workers, including Velasco, signed the Oct. 19 open letter, which supported Palestinian liberation and criticized the silence of cultural institutions about the Israeli bombing of residents in Gaza… In it, the signatories “call for an end to the killing and harming of all civilians, an immediate cease-fire, the passage of humanitarian aid into Gaza, and the end of the complicity of our governing bodies in grave human rights violations and war crimes.” … The Oct. 19 open letter met condemnation, drawing responses by figures in the art world. On WhatsApp, campaigns were organized to dissuade advertisers from working with the magazine.<p>By far most of the substance there shouldn&#x27;t be controversial, especially in the presumably liberal-leaning art world.<p>This has all been far more aggressive than the &quot;cancel culture&quot; decried by the right, but one hears crickets about it from the usual free speech absolutists.
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clipsy超过 1 年前
Trying to convince people to drop &quot;cancel culture&quot; is like trying to convince a nuclear power to dismantle its nuclear weapons -- it&#x27;s simply an absurd proposition unless all parties agree to the same terms and those terms are enforced. Failing that, it&#x27;s a massive strategic misstep to give up such a powerful tool. If you really want to end -- or at least mitigate the effect of -- &quot;cancel culture,&quot; you should push for better labor laws and other legislative approaches to weakening the impact of &quot;cancel culture&quot; on its victims.
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jjgreen超过 1 年前
A rather thoughtful piece I thought; I&#x27;d guessed it had not been flagged as that would be too recursive. But now vanished from the front page for some reason. Ho hum.
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globalnode超过 1 年前
censorship of ideas is a form of reverse marketing&#x2F;advertising, instead of having an idea pushed on you its suppressed, either way you&#x27;re trying to manipulate people and create a bias. imho this is bad, critical thinking and discussion is good. even if it ends in an agreement to not agree.
benterix超过 1 年前
I wonder what is the thought process of people who flag this article? To me, it seems well written, it doesn&#x27;t take sides, it makes an argument in favor of free speech, it is against power play. Could you briefly explain why you area flagging it?
_a_a_a_超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s an interesting read and an interesting perspective but he&#x27;s arguing from a very absolutist position. &quot;but I have previously argued that it is wrong to fire homophobes and racists...&quot; But if you&#x27;ve got homophobes and racists in positions of power where they can freely abuse gays and foreigners, do you <i>not</i> fire them? Do you allow a place in society where they can freely express hate? What do you do?<p>I&#x27;ve wondered a lot about this and I don&#x27;t know the answer. I&#x27;m not even sure this guy is suggesting an answer, but he is saying think carefully. Well I&#x27;ve thought about it and I think I reject it, but that doesn&#x27;t mean I&#x27;m right. It&#x27;s a tough one.
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progne超过 1 年前
&quot;Hence why I am in favor of both laws and social norms that prohibit economic discrimination on the basis of ideological beliefs&quot;<p>It is difficult to interpret this other than as &quot;hence why I am for freedom of speech, but freedom of association not so much&quot;.
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coffeebeqn超过 1 年前
I don’t understand the line drawn between math and politics. Politics has always been politics and math has always been math. Math isn’t suddenly politics and politics isn’t suddenly math
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