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You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser

92 点作者 meandave超过 1 年前

14 条评论

eduction超过 1 年前
What is this person <i>actually</i> proposing? In concrete terms?<p>This reads like a lot of hand waving and talking in circles from someone who drank an extra pot of coffee.<p>People have been trying to suck functionality from the web into the browser since Netscape 4.5 at least. The devil is in the details.
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broodbucket超过 1 年前
I read stuff like this and wonder if I&#x27;m the only one that never has more than 10 tabs open and rarely more than a single browser window. Can any tab fiends chime in about your workflow?
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julianeon超过 1 年前
Curiously I fall in between the two groups he describes.<p>I usually have about 3-4 browser windows open, each in its own workspace (I&#x27;m on i3) - basically its own screen.<p>In each one I have about 5-15 tabs open. That&#x27;s about the limit of what I can read at a glance to quickly flip between them.<p>Periodically I close a few. That&#x27;s how 50% of the tabs get closed.<p>The other 50% go when I declare &#x27;tab bankruptcy.&#x27; If a window has been at the tab limit for a couple days and wasn&#x27;t compelling enough for me to act on before, I&#x27;ll close all its tabs. If I didn&#x27;t take notes about it or process it in some way, too late, gone now.<p>I actually do take screenshots of some of my tabs, full page screenshots, which I think in practice is my &#x27;bookmarking&#x27; system. I title the file with what it&#x27;s about - say, &quot;shadcdn.png&quot;. Now it&#x27;s &#x27;saved&#x27;, in theory anyway for me to look at at some undefined future date (no hurry).<p>That&#x27;s my system, which works well enough.
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Mistletoe超过 1 年前
If I had to guess, Google will only change Chrome in ways that make it more money. Browsers could do all kinds of awesome things but Google isn’t going to do any of it if it interferes with sending people to ads. It would be kind of nice if the majority browser wasn’t owned by the people selling you ads.
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DennisP超过 1 年前
A big improvement for me would be if the browser just archived and closed old tabs after a few days of not getting focus. Then made the archived tabs searchable.<p>History search helps a bit but that includes all the tabs I ended up not caring about. If I didn&#x27;t close the tab myself, then assume I&#x27;m modestly interested in it.
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bee_rider超过 1 年前
I’m not sure exactly what the proposal is, but a server in ever web browser so you could host, like, a little tiny social media and file sharing site could be nice.
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cobertos超过 1 年前
The author defers a lot to their &quot;fixing search&quot; article[0] for arguments and numbers. That article wrongly assumes that search (and the other problems mentioned, like social) is simple to rebuild to avoid misaligned incentives by relegating it to &quot;just&quot; an API. A search company would still have to implement crawling, recrawling (efficiently, timely for topical events), spam filtering, ranking without being game-able, and a ton of other subtleties (robots.txt, many ways of tagging, stale content for certain categories). It also doesn&#x27;t solve the underlying non-UI misaligned incentives of not injecting ads directly into the API results or however.<p>Browsers really can be doing more for the user. But if everything became an API for the browser to just consume and display how it sees fit, there would be a lot of new challenges on top of all this new API support that browsers would need to solve. The API vendors would not just roll over nicely.<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;berjon.com&#x2F;fixing-search&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;berjon.com&#x2F;fixing-search&#x2F;</a>
tony-allan超过 1 年前
I have lots of tabs open in a dozen windows in 8 MacOS desktops. Each window is current project focussed + Mail, News and Entertainment. I work my 16GB of RAM very hard with many bloated web pages.<p>I don&#x27;t like the environment much but I care about the time to context switch between projects (with text, email, and phone interrupts).<p>I also find the sign-in process to be very broken and an attempt to reduce the sign-in time is my major issue. It is a lot worse with many 2FA authorisation schemes — TOTP, email, text message, open this or that app on my phone.<p>If the time to open a new tab (including the sign-in process) was 50ms then I would have one window and use some mechanism to open a set of tags.<p>Perhaps a tab group suspend function that frees up resources and securely saves authentication state and context information?
cobertos超过 1 年前
Tabs wouldn&#x27;t be so bad if there was a unified tabular interface for all windows&#x2F;tab-likes. And I&#x27;m not taking about a &quot;your Chrome tabs are just apps in your quick switch menu&quot; like on Android. I&#x27;m talking like every program has deep linkable content, and one set of vertical tabs (left side of screen?) for the whole OS that each point to that deep linked content. Sublime text tabs, Krita tabs, those few apps that refuse to tab, those few apps that refuse to open multiple instances, all your OS &quot;windows&quot; in one place.
Aerbil313超过 1 年前
This actually makes sense… Why isn’t Mozilla rolling out ad tracking to Firefox for it to fund itself? Oh yeah, they’re already getting all the money they need from Google.
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JohnFen超过 1 年前
Personally, I want my browser to do <i>less</i>, not more.
ChrisArchitect超过 1 年前
&gt; &quot;no one wants to run an app in a tab. no one at all&quot;<p>what? I&#x27;m completely fine having a number of tabs running &quot;apps&quot;, every day, for decades now. It&#x27;s no different than apps in the system tray.
evanjrowley超过 1 年前
The <i>Settle Your Tabs</i> part towards the end really spoke to me.
mapt超过 1 年前
&gt; Technical people often react strongly against bundling concerns that can be kept separate. But the product view beats the architectural view every time. The question isn&#x27;t &quot;should we or should we not bundle these concerns?&quot; but rather &quot;given that these concerns are bundled up in actual real-world use and perception anyway, what underlying design can we come up with so that the resulting architecture makes sense?&quot;<p>Visceral reaction: Outside of FLOSS, technical people often react strongly against bundling concerns that can be kept separate because bundling them is often the first step to an over-aggressive capitalism entirely consuming their utility. The &quot;Feed&quot; that eventually becomes a heavy advertising venue or even a brainwashing tactic, has destroyed Twitter, and Facebook, and others as user experiences, rendered things like Youtube into potent infohazards, become a foundation for post-free-speech worlds in which the Platform is expected to Moderate Content for rightthink because the Platform is (for the sake of engagement!) deciding what to show you in an Editorial Capacity. The corruption of Google Search, or the Amazon review functionality, or then the Amazon search functionality, is a major short-term loss for human agency at least as big as the writer envisions, and it&#x27;s being done because bundling different concerns provides an opening, gives the corporate board an erection during quarterly P&amp;L briefings. Over the Possibilities.<p>If you care about the user experience, consider how long my grandfather&#x27;s wrench was permitted to remain a wrench, rather than autonomously transforming into a screwdriver, or a brick, or a nice welcoming block of cheese, or a magazine subscription, or a bonfire, or Ebola. The owning entity only has to learn how to use the wrench once a generation; The interface does not drastically change to combine my love life, my choice in cereal, and my ability to tighten bolts. I have to re-learn some online tools once per YEAR because somebody is bundling something in a way that is in the short term slightly more profitable. I have a closet full of useful tools that don&#x27;t exist on my cognitive plane any more and I&#x27;m not sure I want to investigate deeply enough to figure out what cosmic horror they became. In order to preserve my agency, I need to be able to flip back and forth between those tools and summon up capacities that I have not engaged in for several years; The state of web applications (and by extension, the browser) makes me as a tool-using ape feel like I have dementia with the number of holes that now exist in my knowledge versus my past self.<p>You don&#x27;t need a bigger browser. You need a predictable environment that you can buy and own, that doesn&#x27;t tear itself to shreds when you&#x27;re not actively handing it a geometrically larger amount of money every five minutes. Most layering violations (outside of FLOSS) that you observe are trying to pick your pocket with one hand and scramble your neocortex (&quot;The way you THOUGHT that the platform worked&quot;) with an icepick with the other.<p>No, my use of tabs may not be Technically Optimal. It is a way of organizing information. But it&#x27;s predictable, and it&#x27;s within my cognitive grasp, and it lets me do a great many things without entirely losing track of them. I don&#x27;t want to have to relearn an entire means of organizing my information because you thought that my tabs belonged in your bookmark service†, or in your AI personal assistant†, or that they should be tidy and Bring You Joy. I don&#x27;t want somebody to rearrange the papers on my desk; That would be profoundly disturbing because it breaks the model for how I think, how I predict things, and how I remain effective.<p>†Which you DEFINITELY will refrain from charging a subscription for. For a year, maybe even two, before seizing that chunk of my exocortex.
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