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Are we doing this again? Yes, we're doing this again

225 点作者 Doches超过 1 年前

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mcv超过 1 年前
I saw a comment here (that I can&#x27;t reply to) that brought up the inevitable point:<p>&gt; The problem with end-to-end encryption is that it is also used to shield from scrutiny the activities of criminals who cause serious harm, including pedophiles and terrorists.<p>Which is true of course. But walls also are also used to shield criminals from scrutiny. And locks. Tons of things are. That in itself can&#x27;t be a reason to ban it. Balancing these things against our need for walls and locks has always resulted in the need for walls and locks overriding the need to spy on potential criminals.
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okeuro49超过 1 年前
The UK Home Office has not raised an eyebrow about people shouting &quot;jihad&quot; on the streets of London. The UK government also gave a housing allowance to a leader of Hamas. [1]<p>The Home Office doesn&#x27;t seem to care either about child exploitation in Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, if it is committed by a protected group. [2]<p>One could suggest that before implementing dragnet surveillance on the public, that the UK government could first investigate what is happening in public view, but is not talked about because it is politically inconvenient.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thetimes.co.uk&#x2F;article&#x2F;hamas-chief-lives-london-council-house-uk-phnpsssx5" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thetimes.co.uk&#x2F;article&#x2F;hamas-chief-lives-london-...</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mattgoodwin.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;what-i-told-oxford" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mattgoodwin.org&#x2F;p&#x2F;what-i-told-oxford</a>
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mgaunard超过 1 年前
I always feel somewhat awkward reading blog articles like this.<p>While the author is certainly fighting a good cause, their writing style is very self-righteous and shows lack of self-awareness. Is it working in politics that makes one so jaded and fond of their own prose?
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nonrandomstring超过 1 年前
Britain once led the world in computing. I am embarrassed and desolate watching us become weak, tepid imitators of comic-book backward authoritarian regimes. My country will absolutely be &quot;left behind&quot; in the wake of this fiasco.
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didibus超过 1 年前
I feel like legislation has a bloat problem. As people get elected, they all feel the need to &quot;do&quot; something. And all they can do is propose bills.<p>Over time, doesn&#x27;t that mean we just end up with more and more legislation about everything?<p>How do we reign in legislation? How do we say, hey you were elected, but it&#x27;s possible there isn&#x27;t any new legislation needed, or barely any?
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alex-moon超过 1 年前
I love this writing style. I would love to be courageous and impassioned enough about something to write this way.
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aaa_aaa超过 1 年前
I miss times when people stated their opinions directly and concisely.
csmattryder超过 1 年前
&gt; and while the public knows full well that the Conservatives are openly shitting the bed on their way out, knowing it will be someone else’s responsibility to change the sheets, they’re not dumb.<p>The author really believes that Labour are gonna throw out this overreaching set of powers?<p>They were the ones arguing that the Online Safety Bill didn&#x27;t go far enough as to include VPNs...
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DrScientist超过 1 年前
Just because there isn&#x27;t transport encryption does mean you can&#x27;t encryption messages.<p>Surely criminal networks will just pre-encrypt content with some side loaded app?
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stuaxo超过 1 年前
Good write up, and encompassing a lot of the frustration people that deal with this feel.
linuxandrew超过 1 年前
Let&#x27;s say this passes and the Signal Foundation and Matrix refuse to add surveillance features demanded by the UK. What effect would this have on technology as a whole? Personally I can see it going two ways.<p>The Matrix.org Foundation operates in the UK would either be shut down, continue in another form elsewhere, or splintered with multiple custodians. I&#x27;m not entirely sure about the Signal Foundation, as, on one hand, they are an American org, but on the other hand the US is pushing comparable laws. Regardless I think that &quot;techies&quot; will continue to use and operate Matrix, XMPP, Mastodon, Secure Scuttlebutt and&#x2F;or other decentralised (P2P&#x2F;federated) infrastructure outside of the realm of regulation. The form which that takes really depends on whether further repression takes place. Techies are essentially banned from getting compensation or building a business out of providing such platforms and so it may steer towards true P2P and so-called darknets.<p>Mainstream platforms may find a way around this, like, say, secretly MITM&#x27;ing a security number of an encrypted chat. Most of the mainstream platforms are not open source which helps in this regard - the app could even lie about the security verification code to the user. Or perhaps they will be more transparent and simply have all conversations that involve someone that is likely in the UK encrypted for two recipients, one being UK intel. We can only speculate what this might look like, if we would ever even know.<p>I think this would be a sad outcome for the community and lead to more centralisation towards large, regulated platforms like Facebook, Apple, Google and Microsoft. It would also have a chilling and repressive effect on speech as if that wasn&#x27;t an issue already. One can only dream of a P2P future but I have some doubts that this would take off without the resources that the big players have.
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Brian_K_White超过 1 年前
Every one of these politicians should be required to replace all the locks on their homes and offices with TSA luggage locks.
jonatron超过 1 年前
The important thing here is the one comment by the author, linking to the bill and explanatory notes: &quot;(NB I make no effort to read any of these at the end of a working day.)&quot;
Kim_Bruning超过 1 年前
I think this kind of thing will keep happening until we put extra safeties in our constitutions (sorry to the UK, they don&#x27;t have one :-P ).<p>Constitutions are pretty hard to change though, so one would need to find fairly broad wording that would protect encryption and ensure secrecy of phone content.<p>Possibly we could extend and improve existing secrecy of correspondence provisions to also cover certain modern technologies?
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croisillon超过 1 年前
since i knew nothing about &quot;the King&#x27;s speech&quot;, outside Colin Firth&#x27;s movie, here a good layout: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-politics-32816450" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-politics-32816450</a><p>When OP writes &quot;the [...] only one of Rishi Sunak’s time in office&quot;, i assume she hopes for it to be the only one.
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unixhero超过 1 年前
Some times the only way to win is by not playing.
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quantum_state超过 1 年前
Wonder if there is an index to measure the power of government. If there is, would love to see its evolution over time.
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givemeethekeys超过 1 年前
&quot;Every single... developer must inform the home office of every security patch&quot;.<p>What would happened if they did that?
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Bu11etmagnet超过 1 年前
I was looking for a country to escape to from mine (EU member ruled by a fascist-in-all-but-its-name government). Sadly, this means I&#x27;ll have to cross out the UK from the list of potential countries to immigrate to. Since I only really speak English (my German has rusted badly), this leaves only Ireland (but it rains there all the time) and Canada (which is very far).
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cbeach超过 1 年前
Disappointing, the author spends more column inches in partisan tittle tattle than challenging the substance of these awful laws.<p>The opposition party (soon to be our govt) want MORE authoritarian control of the Internet:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2023&#x2F;jan&#x2F;01&#x2F;labour-pledges-toughen-online-safety-bill" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2023&#x2F;jan&#x2F;01&#x2F;labour-pl...</a><p>So let&#x27;s stop indulging in red&#x2F;blue point-scoring. Less ad-hominems &#x2F; slurs by association. &quot;Racism&quot; and Trump have no bearing on any of this. Instead, let&#x27;s focus on the meat and vegetables of bad lawmaking and how we can challenge it. We have an uphill battle, educating our lawmakers and the public about online civil rights issues.<p>Let&#x27;s examine the manifestos and pledged positions of the Lib Dems and Reform parties on this issue and, if their stance is sound, lend them our vote. In a FPTP system, our vote won&#x27;t change the makeup of the Commons, but it will be counted, and it will help inform both Tories and Labour on the direction in which we want to drive our politics.<p>At present the Lib Dems seem very silent on encryption: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openrightsgroup.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;15101&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.openrightsgroup.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;15101&#x2F;</a><p>And it&#x27;s nowhere to be found in the Reform Party manifesto either: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reformparty.uk&#x2F;reformisessential" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reformparty.uk&#x2F;reformisessential</a><p>Lib Dems are on 11% of the popular vote and Reform are on 7% (and growing): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.eu&#x2F;europe-poll-of-polls&#x2F;united-kingdom&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.eu&#x2F;europe-poll-of-polls&#x2F;united-kingdom&#x2F;</a><p>Either of them could be king-makers at the next General Election, and even if not, the two incumbent parties will be watching the swing to figure out which direction voters are travelling in.<p>So we need to educate the smaller parties, and get this issue onto their radar. The small, new and hungry parties are more likely to engage directly with us than the old established parties IMO.<p>Stop raging, start engaging.
SilverBirch超过 1 年前
I&#x27;m extremely relaxed about this sort of legislation in the UK at the moment. The reason is that you need to view our government on 2 axes. The first is authoritarianism, and the second is competence. Whilst the government has been drifting more authoritarian for the last 13 years, it has also collapsed in competence. We&#x27;ve seen bill after bill dragged out for years and never acheived. The last lot wanted to completely re-write our human rights legislation. Needless to say that didn&#x27;t go well. At this point in the political cycle there is no way serious legislation is going to get through parliament.<p>What I really worry about is that it looks highly likely post election that the government will be replaced by a much more competent, but still highly authoritarian government. It&#x27;s easy to forget that last labour party tried to introduce ID cards, and tried to introduce rules to let them lock people up for 90 days without charge. The Labour party has none of the libertarian instincts that part of the tory party has.
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guntherhermann超过 1 年前
193 points, 7 hours old. Removed from HN.<p>...Interesting dang, what&#x27;s up with that?
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HenryBemis超过 1 年前
I watched the discussion between Musk and Sunak. And at some point they were wondering&#x2F;discussing about the start-up scene in the UK.<p>Well... &quot;sure&quot; (in a John Oliver tone). Ask from people to sabotage their own products, and then DO worry why things aren&#x27;t going the way you want them to (have the pie AND eat it too)
sensanaty超过 1 年前
Why aren&#x27;t these people championing for their own private messages to be fully open to the public to read? Maybe then I could almost take them seriously and I&#x27;d even have a bit of respect, but as-is you just know what these pricks want is unfettered access to the plebs private life, but no prying eyes into their own, thank-you-very much.<p>Wonder how many of the people spouting &quot;but think of the children!&quot; are the actual pedophiles they&#x27;re always going on about. Knowing politicians, I&#x27;d be amazed if 90% of them weren&#x27;t diddlers themselves, sorta like anti-gay Politicians getting caught in gay scandals or anti-drug politicians getting caught doing coke.
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narinxas超过 1 年前
pity the british, whose king is already so old that they don&#x27;t undrestand the smartphone...<p>no wonder the entire government institution,<p>from that famous historical island,<p>is so woefully unprepared to deal with a world where the smartphone is on.
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nonmo超过 1 年前
&gt; Force technology companies to inform the Home Office in advance of security and privacy features they want to add, including encryption, and force them to disable features which the government objects to<p>This sounds fine to me. The signals intelligence agencies don&#x27;t want to be blindsided by changes that will hamper their work. Private industry needs to be willing to co-operate for the benefit of everyone, not just their bottom line.
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