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Goodbye Spotify

79 点作者 coppolaemilio超过 1 年前

28 条评论

thejarren超过 1 年前
I have music on Spotify that I will be removing as well because of their decision not to pay out small artist streams under a certain amount.<p>I pay a distributor (distrokid) to send out music, and do not have a direct agreement with Spotify. As far as I&#x27;m concerned, monetizing my music without my consent is theft.<p>Their argument is that the stream amount is so low it ends up not being worth the transaction. On a moral level, I&#x27;d argue that it&#x27;s their responsibility to pay out the money generated even if it costs them money to do so for a small number of streams.<p>This is estimated to generate $40m annually for them (which they&#x27;ve said they will be distributing to other artists instead), which isn&#x27;t deeply significant, but this is money that is only generated because of small content creators that have uploaded their content to their distributor (which they pay for) which then distributes to spotify.<p>If I were to upload directly to Spotify for free, I&#x27;d consider the terms different, because I&#x27;d expect distribution as the exchange in the relationship. But in this case I pay a distributor, who then sends to spotify, who then decides to offer my content for free and pocket the money. Not acceptable for me.<p>(note: I consider this relevant to the original article because it is mentioned, as well as because it is one of the variables involved in music purchasing&#x2F;accessing)<p>edit: corrected the $40m statement to show where money was going.
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COGlory超过 1 年前
Music consumption has basically never been in a better place. What Spotify pays artists, and how many employees at Bandcamp get laid off are minor, in the big picture.<p>My music consumption goes something like this:<p>1) Queue up a known band on Spotify. See what else similar to them Spotify puts into a playlist<p>2) Listen to the new music, decide what I like or don&#x27;t like<p>3) Head over to Bandcamp or Discogs with the stuff I really like. Buy it in vinyl and DRM-free digital. Put it in my Subsonic server.<p>4) If it&#x27;s not available, head to P2P app of choice - they always have it.<p>Yes, Bandcamp and Spotify might be ephemeral, but Spotify did wonders for discoverability - there are a lot of albums from tiny tiny bands I&#x27;d never have bought if it weren&#x27;t for Spotify, and Bandcamp helped re-establish the market for physical, DRM-free media.<p>Music has never been in a better place. I finally get to have my cake and eat it too. What people are complaining about (Spotify not paying enough to smaller artists) is conveniently ignoring that I&#x27;d have never even heard of those artists 25 years ago, because they couldn&#x27;t have paid for distribution. Spotify didn&#x27;t reduce what artists make, they redisributed what I spend across way more, but smaller, bands.
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madmountaingoat超过 1 年前
Listen deeper, listen more and you will help artists more than cancelling your subscription. I don&#x27;t know what artists at the new cutoff were making but its not a living wage, and I doubt it&#x27;s even beer money. The unknown artists will never get paid if you don&#x27;t listen and find them. That&#x27;s what Spotify is great at. Once you find the small artist, seek them out, buy some merch, see a show. Drive an hour further than you normally would. That&#x27;s what supporting an artist looks like, not cancelling your Spotify subscription.
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ohhnoodont超过 1 年前
I feel we&#x27;re entering a 2nd great renaissance of media piracy and torrent sites. Fair streaming services were a great solution. But for a variety of reasons that all has slowly been corrupted and become obtrusive. I&#x27;ve recently cancelled my Netflix account after subscribing for over 12 years. Private torrent sites are reporting a significant increases in active users.
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r2_pilot超过 1 年前
I hate the podcast part of Spotify and vehemently disagree with their choice of high-paid hosts on there and would prefer that money to have gone to artists instead. That being said, I also enjoy some of their innovations and they&#x27;ve expanded my music tastes somewhat (and with questionable B or C artists...but that&#x27;s also the point). Finally, I&#x27;d like to conclude by saying that I hate some of their defaults, wish they would make the UX 10x better and unify across platforms. P S. They do allow me to download my data from them, which I do regularly. Super cool, no hassles.
nottheengineer超过 1 年前
The spotify app has become so ridiculously bad I can&#x27;t use it anymore. I found out about Zotify [1], which can rip my entire collection from spotify. The API rate limits anything faster than real time listening though, so it&#x27;ll take a few weeks to download everything.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zotify.xyz&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;zotify.xyz&#x2F;</a>
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pavel_lishin超过 1 年前
Sometimes I&#x27;ve felt a bit foolish, keeping my mp3&#x27;s on a hard drive, as well as backed up onto another drive.<p>But then, I hear about things like Bandcamp being sold, artists being pulled from streaming sites, etc., and it feels nice to know that in principle, all the songs I&#x27;ve purchased over the decades remain within my power to listen to.<p>Some of the songs I have, and still regularly listen to, I&#x27;m honestly not sure if I could find anywhere online anymore.
thefourthchime超过 1 年前
Funny, I finally ditched Spotify last week. I just can’t stand the pop up ads, the cluttered interface, and frankly I’m sick of the recommendations.<p>So far I’ve been trying Apple Music, and have liked it so far. I’ve tried in the past but didn’t stick around long enough to learn how to use it.<p>Also, I have HomePods as speakers for my living room tv and found that “streaming” to them using Apple Music isn’t streaming, it sends the channel over to the device so you can do whatever on your phone or leave the house and it still plays. Much like Sonos.
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lucb1e超过 1 年前
Motivation: &quot;Spotify doesn’t seem to have the artist’s interest in mind anymore&quot; citing examples of minimum number of listens (1000) before paying out (at 1k, isn&#x27;t that still in the realm of micropence anyway?), and the podcast thing funding questionable people and being pushed through UI changes.<p>Alternative: &quot;For now, I’m just back to the weird p2p programs where I can try to find the music I bought or the ones that are just impossible to get.&quot;<p>Result: &quot;listening to music feels more meaningful, not a thing that happens in the background&quot;
keb_超过 1 年前
I&#x27;m still torrenting music like I did in 2007. If I really enjoy a record, I buy it. When a band is in town, I go see them. I don&#x27;t get hung up on the morality of piracy anymore. Truth is piracy (for me) provides a better experience than most of the alternatives (Spotify, Netflix, Hulu). Gaming is the one area where the paid alternative is usually better than piracy. (Steam, GOG, itch.io)
jszymborski超过 1 年前
Very funny seeing this here as I&#x27;ve just bodged an internal DVD drive and SATA-to-USB connector to rip a Placebo CD I bought on eBay. My brother has been snickering about this for quite some time.
lxgr超过 1 年前
&gt; Funny enough, the only easy way I found to buy music nowadays is vinyls.<p>Is there really a lot of music neither available on CD, nor for MP3 download, but on vinyl?
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rzz3超过 1 年前
I see this as a very reactionary take, and I see the alternatives to streaming as impractical. Spotify is great, honestly it’s really great, I don’t have the free time the author seems to have to make a sociopolitical statement with my choices in music streaming. For me, music is about the music, and the emotional experience thereof. If you don’t like Spotify, just go ahead and cancel it—you don’t need to write a blog about it. I’m also not one to select my products based on their “one [or two] bad thing[s]”; there are dozens of things that make Spotify excellent from my view.
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sotix超过 1 年前
I have reduced my streaming use and switched to listening primarily on vinyl and an iPod with a set collection, and I have really preferred it. It’s very nice to have interfaces that just play exactly what I want and are not constantly pushing advertisements for podcasts and audiobooks in my face.<p>I’m spending more time listening to the music I love and the massive collection I already owned from back in the day. There’s something about not having unlimited access that helps me appreciate what I do have to a greater degree.
pawelduda超过 1 年前
If HN was Spotify client, the add comment button would randomly shift position on every visit and have one of these as the text: create, send, publish, add to thread<p>And sometimes if you clicked it, nothing would happen
kristopolous超过 1 年前
Might as well drop what I use for my music discovery, my fairly poorly documented hacker-friendly set of tools. For instance, you can optionally navigate, sort, skip, pause and label things through MIDI controls, command line hooks, a repl, bluetooth media keys, or even over a network.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;kristopolous&#x2F;music-explorer&#x2F;">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;kristopolous&#x2F;music-explorer&#x2F;</a><p>This is a problem I&#x27;ve been working on since 2007(!) and this is approach #4, started in 2020
paxys超过 1 年前
I don&#x27;t think any band out there has any excuse not to spend literally minutes to set up an online store (using Shopify or whatever else) and put their music up for sale directly. If they don&#x27;t, and rely on iTunes&#x2F;Spotify etc., or sign with a major label, then you as a fan aren&#x27;t obligated to go out of your way to still look for avenues to support them.
Quinzel超过 1 年前
I didn’t realise Spotify wasn’t paying less well known artists. That’s actually pretty shit. I love music. I have a deep utter obsession with music of almost every genre and I don’t think I could go without it. I used to just pirate music (because I was a kid that didn’t really fully understand that that was theft), until Spotify happened, so when I was pirating music artists still weren’t getting paid. Spotify became my default for ease of use, but I suppose they’re a middleman that decides who will get paid, and who won’t. I’ve also got SoundCloud where I listen to artists who don’t seem to be on Spotify, but SoundCloud seems to have a similar structure around paying artists. What other platforms are there for listening to music, where the artists actually get the recognition and reward they deserve?
LelouBil超过 1 年前
Even though I would like Spotify to pay artists decently, I&#x27;ll keep paying for it mainly for their recommendations and discovery features.<p>If you only listen to music you already know you like, then sure Bandcamp or whatever is amazing for the artist.<p>But personally, I just launch my &quot;liked&quot; playlist and use their enrich feature to fill in titles. Or use their thematic playlist generations that use a genre but take into account what I already liked of this genre.<p>Though if someone showed me an alternative with discovery features that work as good as this <i>and</i> pays artists decently I&#x27;d switch instantly.
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p0w3n3d超过 1 年前
I recently started buying out CDs of bands that I value. I don&#x27;t cancel Spotify now because I don&#x27;t have all the music I listen to, but thanks for warning. We have to prepare for big black hole of access to our culture when it becomes no longer mainstream.<p>At this moment shows I used to watch are removed from all the platforms too, leaving me the only option to &quot;buy&quot; them on Amazon. &quot;Buy&quot; because they will still be in a cloud, and one harsh blow of the wind can make the cloud gone. The wind of changes I mean.
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mrangle超过 1 年前
Liberal Joe Rogan is &quot;questionable&quot;? GMAB.. I mean he&#x27;s open to questions so...<p>I find it to be socially toxic that anyone expects massive companies to tailor their content to one&#x27;s narrow sensibilities. Furthermore, the complaints rarely if ever go the other way in terms of platforming middle-of-the road personalities that land on the other side of the line. Though, they could in-volume. Man, was it terrrrible when the Smartless crew had Rachel Maddow on their show. Grumble grumble...unsubscribe...grumble
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Mistletoe超过 1 年前
I recently said goodbye to Spotify as well. I tried Apple Music and found it sounded significantly better. The muddy quality I am used to with Spotify was gone and I’ve been enjoying music ever since. I really thought there was something wrong with me prior to this. I don’t know if it is the different codecs they use or what. I haven’t even tried the lossless audio yet on Apple Music. So it is just comparing the lossy to lossy.<p>I’m also glad to be on an app that doesn’t try to constantly push podcasts on me.
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readthenotes1超过 1 年前
I like Pandora&#x27;s music stations (playing music like an artist), and reports are apparently that it is better than others for that<p>But they pay little to the artists.<p>What do you use?
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renegat0x0超过 1 年前
While I agree we should use own data I do not believe that someone presense is enough to leave a platform.<p>Big gateway keepers will always be full od questionable people.<p>Politics is also full od questionable people should we not participate in it?
t0bia_s超过 1 年前
For backup, I recommend Spytify. Just in case...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jwallet&#x2F;spy-spotify">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jwallet&#x2F;spy-spotify</a><p>Offline library slowly growing.
amir734jj超过 1 年前
Also it&#x27;s no longer possible to get Spotify student discount if you have been a student for more than 4 years. I mean, what about graduate students?
sshine超过 1 年前
“I gave up Spotify and didn’t replace it. Maybe you’ll like losing what Spotify provides with no obvious gain or substitute, too!”
DarkmSparks超过 1 年前
It was only 1 CD I stole your honour, and I only listened to it once. Wasnt worth the transaction cost to buy it.<p>Spotify, 2023.