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Big Startups vs Little Startups

90 点作者 ezl大约 13 年前

11 条评论

wtvanhest大约 13 年前
I feel like people use the small is safer logic with lots of life decisions but never offer any proof. What if you are wrong about the risk and you make nothing? You ended up in the same spot with much less experience.<p>Some niche markets may be great, but you didn't find one. It is dominated by fairly large players with cost advantages.<p>What happens if you do this for a while and add a product? Maybe that becomes a big business? I just have never ever seen evidence that going small anywhere in life works out better than always going big.
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dmor大约 13 年前
I landlord 3 properties and I REALLY need your little startup. Spread the word! The pain landlords feel, and the crap we sometimes put tenants through because of crappy tools/laws should be solved.
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adennis4大约 13 年前
On the whole, I agree with you. However -<p>1) Unless you're Instagram - a big startup will cost you much more than 2 years of life. The monetary price probably doesn't matter much as you will have acquired funding.<p>2) I also think the expected value of any given random point on the "startup dartboard" is smaller than the values you threw out there.<p>That all said...my interests align with yours. Hitting singles is more attractive than swinging for the fences. Goals change though...Rocket Lease may be a safe bet on your part. If traction picks up and it becomes an undeniable juggernaut...I don't think you or anybody else wouldn't take the "big startup" ride.
marchustvedt大约 13 年前
Given the headline, I was expecting a comparison of large teams versus smaller nimble (Instagram, Path) ones. There's a whole lot to be written about group dynamics in terms of headcount.<p>But in terms of this discussion. I have to take issue with choice of market opportunity based on personal financial situation.<p>"<i>Where are you now? There’s no right answer to this. If you’re 30 and broke and wondering how you’re going to pay the rent in 6 months, its harder to swing for the fences. If you sold your last startup so you’ll never have to worry about food and rent again, big startup board.</i>"<p>Not only does this lead to rather arbitrary founder-market fit, is the success rate curve of the smaller startup really that more evenly distributed than the larger ones? I doubt it.<p>That said, it sounds like you may have been a landlord yourself, saw the pain point in vetting tenants, and went for it. Niche, but already a service that 1) is arguably underserved and 2) your customers are used to paying for.<p>Best of luck and it sounds like you might have some takers here on HN already.
dasil003大约 13 年前
I think startups are too plastic to be characterized this way. Well, software startups anyway—hardware, durable goods, science, or other capital intensive startups are a different story.<p>I suppose there are small markets to go after and big markets, but there are also unknown markets, and to go truly huge and be the VC darling of the decade you might need to create your own market. But the kicker is that the market you are targeting is not fixed. Software is sufficiently abstract, and it's reasonable to run lean enough that you can literally change your target market overnight. And in the case of the really huge startups, they all get there through a series of pivots to scale progressively. None of them start with the vision of what they ultimately become. The people who think Facebook/Google/Apple scale at the beginning are probably more dreamers than doers. The trick is to grow your ambitions as you grow your business. So I don't disagree with the advice, other than to caution against letting your bootstrapping thought process color your future ambition.
michaelochurch大约 13 年前
I used to be a trader, too.<p>What is interesting to me is that the ethics I encountered in finance (n.b. I was in statistical arbitrage, and I'm pretty sure I'd have a different perspective if I'd worked on mortgage-backed securities) were a lot better than what I've seen in these VC-funded (or VC-hungry) startups. We tend to have this reflexive attitude in technology that people in finance are scummy, when the reality is that they're just more honest about their greed than VC-istan types.<p>The engineers in these companies are great. Really ambitious, really talented, and often fully believing in whatever marketing-copy "vision" the VC darling comes up with so people will be glad to work for 0.01%, vested over four years, of a company that will probably be flipped for 100-500M. I've never disliked the engineers anywhere. At least 85% of the VPs and above are fucking slime, though.<p>I think the "little startups" point you make has sense, but I think the ideal is a small, stable startup that also has a chance of becoming larger. I think the objective should be to build a stable and small business doing work of very high quality, and later growing-- a "get rich slowly" strategy of solving interesting and hard problems on the small scale first and eventually developing the tools and expertise to solve major ones. Maybe I'm naive, but this is what I'd like to see in my next company. A "change the world in 20 years" approach, rather than an all-out effort to bank it in 48 months that (a) leaves everyone burned out from working too hard, and (b) almost always involves ethical compromise.<p>What's behind the VC/build-to-flip mentality is competitive paranoia and the attempt to exploit social trends to get a first-entrant effect. Many of these social networks <i>are</i> winner-take-all, sure. But there are a lot of creative and technological ventures that don't have to be like that. If you're a game studio, for example, of course there is competition... but if you make a great game and another studio does so in the same year, the result is that you both win and it's a great year for games. I wish people focused more on that, and less on "destroying" other companies. Every time I interact with a company that says their business model is to "destroy &#60;tech company X&#62;" I always find them to be really unethical.
btrautsc大约 13 年前
I'm not sure I can agree that small vs big is so black and white.<p>Why is the small board dotted with different values and the big board a vast wasteland with only a few potential outcomes? Is it VC pressure? That could definitely eliminate some options - however, if you intelligently take on capital and have the ability to hire better and brighter people - you should have more positive outcome possibilities.<p>I think the general idea is pretty sound, but definitely not so black and white. I believe most "big" startups were small startups initially.
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ernestipark大约 13 年前
As someone who is currently struggling with finding an apartment to live in, I hope to God your startup becomes popular. Awful, incompetent real estate agents, terrible PDF forms that don't work properly on a computer, and an overall terrible process has stressed me out these past few weeks.
devs1010大约 13 年前
'Rocket Lease is me saying that 40k a year would be life changing for me'<p>I really don't get this line of thinking. I'm assuming the author isn't a programmer as otherwise I don't see how 40k a year would be an acceptable or life changing amount of money, and, if he isn't, then why not learn to code? Or maybe I'm just missing something and the intent is this is only a part-time project that doesn't take up much time so any money it makes is just extra (and 40k extra per year would be welcome by most people I'm sure).. honestly I'm curious, as while I have an interest in entrepreneurship, the potential payoff would have to be fairly high as being able to simply work as a programmer for others already provides a fairly decent quality of life.
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jamroom大约 13 年前
I like this - and just because you start small doesn't mean you can't think big in the long term. Small but steady growth goes a long way towards building a lasting business too.
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ezl大约 13 年前
Really, I guess this is my really old response to the "ambitious startups" threads from a while back...