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Gang crisis shaking Sweden

136 点作者 pretext超过 1 年前

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TecoAndJix超过 1 年前
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antics9超过 1 年前
Shootings occur in all kinds of areas in the major cities, but also in smaller towns. Sweden has also had a worrying number of bombs outside stairwells in residential areas and in detached houses. Therefore, the problems are not only concentrated in marginalized areas or what the Swedish Police call, particularly vulnerable areas. Per capita, Sweden has twice as many gang members as Mexico but you can hardly compare the gang structures in the two countries.<p>Although it happens that innocent people die or get injured, the acts are targeted at active gang members and, more recently, tragically, their families to a greater extent.<p>The problems are significant in the context of gang crime, but it&#x27;s not like an ordinary person needs to be afraid of being out for a walk or being assaulted, robbed, or attacked by gangs. In Malmö, which is Sweden&#x27;s third-largest city and is located near Copenhagen, gang problems have significantly decreased in recent years through Group Violence Intervention efforts.<p>I&#x27;m not trying to gloss over the problems, which are significant, but I understand that the authorities and communities have the will, knowledge, and resources to change the situation.
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letrowekwel超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. That&#x27;s not a real migration policy, it&#x27;s just a recipe for creating a segregated society. The Swedish welfare state has certainly taken care of the basic needs of the migrants, but it hasn&#x27;t really worked well at actual integration, and creating social mobility. Poorly integrated youths who see no future prospects through honest work are prime material for crime gangs to recruit.<p>I still haven&#x27;t figured out whether Swedish politicians and voters didn&#x27;t realize this, or simply didn&#x27;t care. What&#x27;s happening has seemed inevitable to me for well over a decade.
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nickdothutton超过 1 年前
I’ve watched this story grow over the last decades or so. There is no gang problem, its just a conspiracy theory&#x2F;propaganda. There is a gang problem but it’s overstated. There is a serious gang problem. There is a serious gang problem but it’s bikers. There is a serious gang problem, OK, it’s not bikers. There is a serious gang problem, it’s immigrants and immigrant descended Swedes, but it’s Sweden’s fault for not integrating them &lt;-You are here.
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TrackerFF超过 1 年前
For too long, there has been this apathetic <i>&quot;well, if I&#x27;m not a gangster, then why should I care?&quot;</i> mentality, because up until lately the crime has been localized to people in the gangs. Gang members killing other gang members, basically.<p>Even in the no-go areas, you&#x27;re pretty safe walking around as a civilian. You&#x27;d expect those areas (in Sweden) to look like war zones, where the citizens and bystanders are locked up all day, in fear of moving out. Yeah, not so much - the areas are very much &quot;boring&quot; suburban areas.<p>But, alas, then the gangs started to bomb and shoot up apartments of rivals and their families. Suddenly you&#x27;re not all that safe, because what if your neighbor turns out to be the second cousin of some local gangbanger?<p>With that said, all this roots in piss-poor integration. The gang members aren&#x27;t first generation immigrants, we&#x27;re talking at least second gen - even third generation.<p>And like all other organization, be that crime, terrorism, or whatever - they prey on the kids that have fallen outside the system.
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codr7超过 1 年前
I grew up in Sweden, moved around a bit in Europe and lately came back.<p>What worries me about the country is not primarily gang criminality, but the general degradation of everything that was once good about Swedish society.<p>Probably still better than a lot of places. Immigrants who come here often praise the system, how well everything works here; but they have no idea how well it used to work.
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silenced_trope超过 1 年前
&gt; Those on the right largely blame immigration, which has added 2mn people to the country in recent decades. Those on the left point to social factors, including the privatisation of Sweden’s welfare system which has led to worse services in deprived areas.<p>Probably both things are true.<p>When countries take in large amounts of immigration, their generous welfare systems can become stressed.<p>Sweden didn&#x27;t balance the concerns.
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whearyou超过 1 年前
I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled
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mrkeen超过 1 年前
&gt; But in recent years it has achieved notoriety as the hometown of one of Sweden’s most deadly gangs and its notorious leader Rawa Majid, “the Kurdish Fox”, who fled to Turkey in 2018 after a number of drug and violence-related convictions.<p>&gt; Much of the recent violence is due to a major split in the Foxtrot drug gang, say police. Majid, who was raised in Uppsala by Iraqi parents, is believed to have fallen out with his former right-hand man Ismail Abdo, or “Strawberry”, who also moved to Turkey.<p>----<p>&quot;Is there a lot of crime in Sweden?&quot;<p>&quot;Ja we have a lot of crime. Ours are named Kurdish Fox and Strawberry.&quot;<p>&quot;Can&#x27;t the police do something about them?&quot;<p>&quot;Oh they don&#x27;t live here any more.&quot;
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chrisbrandow超过 1 年前
Multi-ethnic democracy is a harder mode than mono-ethnic democracy, which is why most comparisons of the US failures at various social policies to Scandinavian countries have always bugged me.<p>People don’t naturally feel as much allegiance to others who look and sound different. It takes time to overcome that.
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yencabulator超过 1 年前
Dear Americans, please remember that European crises are very relative.<p>Deaths from assault by firearm per million<p>Sweden, 2020: about 5.5 (from the bar chart)<p>USA, 2021: 43<p>(<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;short-reads&#x2F;2023&#x2F;04&#x2F;26&#x2F;what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;short-reads&#x2F;2023&#x2F;04&#x2F;26&#x2F;what-the-...</a> 48,830 deaths, 43% of those are homicides, population of 331.9 million)
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fintechie超过 1 年前
Hungary and Slovakia, the only European countries that haven&#x27;t allowed <i>illegal</i> immigration in, are at the bottom of that chart, while Sweden is getting rekt...<p><i>Legal</i> immigration is of course fine and necessary, as long as the state and socials systems can assimilate it... (Japan is a good example). But articles like this show concerning data points in western countries with uncontrolled migratory policies.
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apienx超过 1 年前
It’s hard to overstate the pace at which Sweden changed since the 00s.<p>Swedish culture still values multiculturalism. And, during my 20 years there, I was never able to convince anyone about the dangers of tolerating intolerance.<p>When you check demographics’ stats, you realise that these issues will be compounded in the future. It makes me sad.
jongjong超过 1 年前
I&#x27;ve been predicting a rise in numbers of &#x27;good gangs&#x27; in the west for years now. Of course it must start with a rise in bad gangs first. I believe we&#x27;re heading towards anarchy. The law just doesn&#x27;t serve the majority anymore.
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asylteltine超过 1 年前
Massive unfettered immigration will do that to you
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alienicecream超过 1 年前
Western Europe has lost its raison d&#x27;etre, and is committing harakiri.
kurthr超过 1 年前
Good thing that plot didn&#x27;t show the US on it. Firearm deaths are more than 6x higher than any other at ~30pm annually.
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romafirst3超过 1 年前
While this does indeed sound like a problem for Sweden and something they will have to fix, it&#x27;s worth pointing out that by my calculation the US fatal assault by fire arm rate is 12X the rate that is causing a crisis in Sweden.
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mrkeen超过 1 年前
The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me.<p>I just took the train into the city, had a burger &amp; beer, and soon I&#x27;ll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety.<p>Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre&#x2F;right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren&#x27;t they going to fix this?
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injeolmi_love超过 1 年前
This is a story about how a yet another state is failing to provide security, so private actors - gangs - are filling the role the state is not. Yet instead of blaming the security monopoly for the lack of security, the interviewees are blaming the gang members for “not integrating”. To be fair to the state, As migration flows increase alongside technological radicalization, states are increasingly struggling to fill their traditional roles. People should prepare themselves.
verisimi超过 1 年前
Sweden always had a massive gang problem, nothing to see here.
acyou超过 1 年前
Clearly, the root cause of the problem is not immigrants or immigration, as some others have suggested. It is the people of Sweden who have ultimately done this to, and continue to do it to themselves. It ultimately comes down to their society&#x27;s collective system of values, where they have also decided that systems of values that don&#x27;t align are both simultaneously unacceptable and somehow also still permissible.
threeseed超过 1 年前
@pretext, @dang.<p>This sort of content goes against the guidelines, offers nothing of interest to the broader hacker community, invites the wrong sort of people to post and offers no additional insightful or new information to the discourse.<p>I think those submitting need to ask if they are making this place better or worse.
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