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Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

289 点作者 georgehill超过 1 年前

24 条评论

amacneil超过 1 年前
Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago).<p>Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. And he was deeply motivated by a goal of safety and saving lives.<p>After the GM acquisition, he could have enjoyed an early retirement. GM were eager to give us all Windows laptops and turn us into a San Francisco outpost, just as they had done with their Sidecar acquisition. But instead, Kyle worked tirelessly to ensure we had sufficient freedom and independence to build.<p>I know this wasn&#x27;t everyone&#x27;s experience with Kyle. I know plenty of people he pushed too hard and who left much earlier than I did. But for every person who burned out, there were others motivated by his energy and loved who working for him.<p>Is Cruise over? Probably not. There are still a ton of extremely smart people working there, and they are still in possession of a world-leading AV technology (probably second only to Waymo, who had a 5 year head start). But I hope they can maintain their Silicon Valley culture and not succumb to becoming a complete GM outpost.
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throwawaynum2超过 1 年前
That&#x27;s too bad. I thought Kyle was a great CEO. I felt he really kept a positive, safety oriented, and accountability mindset. It&#x27;s hard to find CEOs these days that know the in&#x27;s and out&#x27;s of the product you&#x27;re making. Usually they&#x27;ll just slap someone on with an MBA that knows neither the HW nor SW, but since this was Kyle&#x27;s project from the beginning, he did. Coming from some other poorly managed startups, it was refreshing to work under both a technical and non-technical leader. Not sure what the future holds for us now.
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modeless超过 1 年前
Cruise did exactly the wrong thing by folding under pressure and stopping all operations. Appeasing your critics simply doesn&#x27;t work. The appeasement alienates your supporters while doing nothing to change the minds of your critics as is amply demonstrated in this thread and elsewhere. Cruise&#x27;s cars were almost certainly not more dangerous than human driven cars. The CYA bureaucrats have taken over and there is no place for a founder at Cruise anymore.<p>IMO Cruise&#x27;s fatal mistake was choosing San Francisco. It was hubris to think that they could change the minds of a populace and government clearly set on hating everything to do with tech. There are probably a bunch of cities that would be proud to host self-driving cars, rather than antagonistic. Things could have played out differently.
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ra7超过 1 年前
To the surprise of no one. This is on the back of GM appointing a Chief Administrative Officer to “work with” the CEO after their recent controversies. One unfortunate accident (though Cruise was at fault for making it worse) has put the entire company in disarray. I suppose it’s the result of accumulation of so many minor issues in San Francisco and a lack of a strict safety culture. It feels like a repeat of Uber from a few years ago that ended with shuttering of their self driving initiative.
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Sebguer超过 1 年前
Why was the submission title changed from the much more descriptive actual article headline? I have no idea who Kyle Vogt is without the context of &#x27;co-founder and CEO&#x27;.
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seltzered_超过 1 年前
An insightful article from a couple weeks ago is this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.substack.com&#x2F;pub&#x2F;apperceptive&#x2F;p&#x2F;i-knew-this-was-coming" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.substack.com&#x2F;pub&#x2F;apperceptive&#x2F;p&#x2F;i-knew-this-was...</a><p>&quot;Whether Kyle Vogt keeps his job or not is I think a secondary question. The big question is whether Cruise, trapped as it is between the inexorable demands of the capital it has taken on and the impenetrable difficulty of the remaining technical challenges of deploying their fleet commercially, has a path forward at all. &quot;<p>Worth noting Cruise service paused (i.e. not even supervised rides) in Austin on Nov. 15: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;1o1CTfsZy_k" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;1o1CTfsZy_k</a>
1vuio0pswjnm7超过 1 年前
Actual title: Cruise co-founder and CEO Kyle Vogt resigns
matthewfelgate超过 1 年前
Kyle Vogt has failed and Cruise is a catastrophe.<p>Fine, if you want to judge Vogt on a CEO-friendliness scale, how to scam a company into paying billions of dollars for a no return, or how to occasionally posts on Hacker News &#x2F; Reddit like a &quot;Real Human&quot; TM then feel free to consider him&#x2F;Cruise a huge success.<p>In the real world Cruise currently has 0 cars giving 0 people driverless rides. The game is over. The mask has been lifted. It&#x27;s over. Cruise tried to expand too quickly without the technology, profitability or safety to match. And has now crashed and burned. Now, this may be controversial, but maybe the CEO of such a company bares some responsibility for that?<p>I know what the replies will be: shut up random poster! Vogt built a $1 Billion dollar company from his garage, that is success by anyone&#x27;s standard. But by that same standard Theranos was a success, for a time... Now both are virtually worthless.<p>At some point we have to start judging the success of self-driving companies by their profitability not by their PR.
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gaucheries超过 1 年前
The TechCrunch article’s real title seems to be more descriptive: “Cruise-founder and CEO Kyle Vogt resigns”
tsunamifury超过 1 年前
I’m guessing cruise is pretty much over.<p>What’s really unfortunate is I worked with many people who worked with Kyle and no one had a single good thing to say about him. And I’ve often heard that before with people who knew other CEOs but they kinda grudgingly admitted they did what was needed to get it done.<p>However over and over I just heard phrases like “lost” “aimless” and “confused mess” with Kyle and it never was the “he’s an asshole but it makes the company work. It was just. He’s lost, distracted and constantly sidelined.<p>I say all this because I actually feel for the guy. Because I know if I was CEO of a company going up against trillionare competitors I’d probably be the same way. Probably even worse. And that’s the state most CEOs are up against — completely unable no matter their skill to outmatch the largest monopolies the world has ever seen — who can simply outspend, outlast, and out do you with capital alone.
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xnx超过 1 年前
2 prominent Google competitors really hurting from self inflicted wounds this week. OpenAI has good tech, but surprisingly disorganized management. Cruise was considered a Waymo competitor (despite having far inferior tech) may undergo some radical changes. Could Apple possibly acquire Cruise assets? Would Apple even want them? Reputational risk to Apple is huge.
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cyrux004超过 1 年前
I am going to leave this here<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.comma.ai&#x2F;a-100x-investment-part-1&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.comma.ai&#x2F;a-100x-investment-part-1&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;comma-ai.medium.com&#x2F;a-100x-investment-part-2-569b7141dc82" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;comma-ai.medium.com&#x2F;a-100x-investment-part-2-569b714...</a>
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nojvek超过 1 年前
First Sam Altman, then Kyle Vogt. Is Elon Musk from Twitter&#x2F;X next?
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ciabattabread超过 1 年前
So I’m assuming the review from the external law firm is complete?
xyst超过 1 年前
The death knell of Cruise.<p>Personally, after CA DMV pulled their license to operate. Cruise ceased all operations in other states (particularly in TX).<p>Their vehicles were by far the worst to deal with as both a pedestrian and driver. As a pedestrian, I have had more close calls with their vehicles compared to human drivers. They have caused unnecessary traffic jams (in Austin, TX there was an infamous incident in West Campus that took forever to clear). When their vehicles pulled over, they often did not pull over completely and thus becoming obstructions on the road. Cruise flooded the streets of DT austin at night to pump their mileage numbers as well. It was quite a common sight to see at least 2-3 cruise vehicles circling the same neighborhoods and even hogging all of the EV charging infrastructure.<p>Good riddance. I say.
stygiansonic超过 1 年前
Well, this was probably the best weekend to do it.
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minimaxir超过 1 年前
The situation at Cruise is so similar to OpenAI (political removal due to prioritizing success over safety) that the coincidental timing is almost contrived.<p>At least in this case, Vogt is doing a clear resignation on his own terms.
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tempsy超过 1 年前
This is a situation where the whole e&#x2F;acc stuff every Silicon Valley bigwig is shouting about got a company in trouble.<p>Push forward at all cost, expand as fast as possible, see regulators as stifling forces not to be trusted or taken seriously. Can almost guarantee the Cruise CEO was in that circle of thought and drank the Koolaid too hard.
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Apocryphon超过 1 年前
AI winter? More like AI blizzard.
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nyxtom超过 1 年前
GM is getting ready to absorb. Watch
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m3kw9超过 1 年前
Maybe they resigned thinking they would partner up with Altman
hn_throwaway_99超过 1 年前
Not sure if it&#x27;s a coincidence but I feel like a lot of companies are taking advantage of the OpenAI brouhaha to release their news of major exec firings&#x2F;resignations with the thought that their announcements will get buried by that bigger story. Trying to remember but there was another big firing on Friday I believe, and it felt like all the tech companies were making big C-level changes now to lessen the impact.
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bigyikes超过 1 年前
Everyone laughed at Tesla for their gung-ho, vision-only approach.<p>Only Waymo and Cruise will make it, they said.<p>Will be very interesting to see who is left standing.<p>Maybe Tesla will never crack self-driving, but an insolvent company definitely won&#x27;t either.
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avalavalkar超过 1 年前
Very peculiar timing with Emmett Shear becoming the interim CEO of OpenAI