New Outlook is good, both for yourself and 766 third parties

The “new Outlook” is just a cover for MS to have complete, ongoing access to all email services a person uses. It’s a massive invasion of privacy. Their “email client” is a misnomer. The actual client becomes the MS “cloud,” and it retrieves and processes 100% of your mail, even storing your credentials. Outlook no longer makes any connection to your actual email provider. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xda-developers.com&#x2F;privacy-implications-new-microsoft-outlook&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xda-developers.com&#x2F;privacy-implications-new-micr...</a>

Microsoft replaced the old Mail app in favor of the new Outlook Desktop app, and I can&#x27;t even login despite reporting the issue for a year now. (At the time, I was even a Microsoft MVP getting briefed on the stuff way before launch.) That got me to finally stop using Outlook for good. Users beware.

After Windows 10, Microsoft&#x27;s policy seems to be &quot;I will give you free updates, but in return, you will be a Windows tester, watch ads, and provide your privacy.&quot;

I used to use Evolution until MAPI was removed, then Thunderbird+Exquilla for a bit, but now Thunderbird+IMAP is the sensible way to go. I make all my email rules server-side using OWA, and Thunderbird has had most of the OAUTH2 growing pains sorted out for a while now.<p>We use Teams, which handles all the calendar stuff I used to need my mail client to do for me. The only risk seems to be Microsoft silently changing something and Thunderbird being left to figure out what to fix. I no longer need to access proprietary Public Folders, as that functionality has been swallowed up by Sharepoint Online.<p>I&#x27;ve used Linux at work for the past decade, in spite of it being a Microsoft shop -- some days I would wrestle with HyperV or whatever ricketysticks thing Microsoft bolted on top of HyperV, some other rare days I&#x27;d get to play in the terminal all day.<p>I could tolerate using Windows if I was forced to. But I absolutely love using Linux. Who even needs Outlook specifically these days?

I had a time on a 13-00 phoneline today which said <i>your call is important to us, you are &quot;undefined number&quot; caller on this queue</i> and it made me very happy. I suspect 766 is &quot;suspiciously accurate&quot; and some of them are JV with Microsoft.

New Outlook is great &#x2F;s<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;sysadmin&#x2F;comments&#x2F;13lo7u6&#x2F;list_of_new_features_and_missing_features_in_the&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;sysadmin&#x2F;comments&#x2F;13lo7u6&#x2F;list_of_n...</a>

These market forces really are great, they really made Microsoft to stop abusing dominant positions to get advantage in other segments, stop showing ads, etc. hooray for deregulation and innovation

&gt; Features removed [...] PST file support<p>No way! That kills of so many long term inboxes I know of. Over a decade of customer conversations in there in some cases. This will kick off a painful set of IT department phone calls and an even more painful migration if needed

Do yourself a favor and use eM Client instead. It works extremely well, including playing nicely with Exchange. It was the only Window client I found that could completely replace Outlook.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.emclient.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.emclient.com&#x2F;</a>

the funny thing about outlook is not even mentioned here, it seems that they have absolutely no spam filter? I get more spam (and the stupid obvious one, like 2004 phishing methods) into my outlook inbox than into my gmail throwaway email intentionally created to receive spam and crap signups, it just baffles me

I think websites started competing who can round up most third parties. At least finally &quot;Reject all&quot; button is not hidden and is prominently displayed.

Accept! Then the next day send a right to be forgotten request.

Low quality software with poor quality management sharing data with myriad other parties showing you ads and spamming you all the time. Yuck.

I dislike it. No data file support is a big deal.

The 3rd part of e-mail will simply fail in the Microsoft strategy of Embrace, Engulf, and Extinguish.<p>Bucking against the many IETF RFCs on SMTP is hard to do.

when you optimize packet size and then add 766 analytics libraries

With this much sharing, I&#x27;d reckon that a third life time award is coming. But I wonder whether the same sharing is going on for business users?

It&#x27;s the sort of cookie notice (which also attempts to embed gdpr consents and notices) used by a lot of sites, I haven&#x27;t checked who the vendor is but they began declaring the number of third parties a few days ago.<p>I think I ran into it five times so far, three of which had a party count similarly around 700, and two above 2000.<p>The counts maybe include the third parties to which the third parties relay data etc.<p>I haven&#x27;t checked if they&#x27;ve done it for some upcoming legal requirement or out of their own good heart (the legal requirement would in all likelihood be an nth draft of the ever &quot;upcoming&quot; ePrivacy regulation).<p>Fairly eye-opening in any case.

Jesus christ on a motorbike.<p>Makes me want to switch away - why do they do this?

If you care about strongly about privacy... choose your email provider accordingly.<p>If Outlook is your company&#x27;s email provider... the third parties are the concern of your IT department.<p>If you&#x27;re not hit by one of those two conditions... why are you using Outlook? This feels like unwarranted outrage bait.

It&#x27;s hard for me to read the text on mobile.<p>Is this a cookie notice (required by EU e-privacy directive), or is this a sub processors notice (required by GDPR)?<p>Both would be insane. I don&#x27;t see how they could possibly use that many vendors. Must also include all Microsoft subsidiaries?