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Lena (2021)

144 点作者 hugs超过 1 年前

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jkingsman超过 1 年前
This, along with &quot;It Looks Like You’re Trying To Take Over The World&quot;[0] are two of my favorite short pieces of speculative fiction that embody the Frederik Pohl quote, &quot;a good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam.&quot;<p>This story, a sequel, and other great short stories are collected in his book of ten short stories &quot;Valuable Humans in Transit&quot;.[1] I&#x27;m a big fan of supporting indie scifi offered with DRM-free ebooks! [I am not affiliated with qntm despite my enthusiasm]<p>[0]: It Looks Like You’re Trying To Take Over The World: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gwern.net&#x2F;fiction&#x2F;clippy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gwern.net&#x2F;fiction&#x2F;clippy</a><p>[1]: Valuable Humans in Transit: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qntm.org&#x2F;vhitaos" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qntm.org&#x2F;vhitaos</a>
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kibwen超过 1 年前
I find this short story to be most effective when rendered as a Wikipedia article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dump.cy.md&#x2F;4042875593f06aa0cbe7722295831c10&#x2F;Screenshot_2121-02-22%20MMAcevedo%20-%20Wikipedia.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dump.cy.md&#x2F;4042875593f06aa0cbe7722295831c10&#x2F;Screensh...</a>
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mortenjorck超过 1 年前
Perhaps the most fascinating thing about reading this (a mere!) two years later is how much its speculative future, vivid and unsettling portrayal notwithstanding, is almost certainly no longer a possibility for ours. Imagine, simulating an entire human brain to perform tasks it turns out need only a vague, brute-forced approximation of our language centers!<p>It&#x27;s like Jules Verne imagining, in exquisitely plausible detail, a flying machine whose many complex mechanisms and articulations at last allow man to fly like the birds – only a few years before the Wright brothers prove all you need is a fixed wing, a few cleverly-placed flaps, and enough thrust.
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renewiltord超过 1 年前
This guy is a pretty good writer. I really liked <i>There is no Anti-Memetics Division</i> as well. I like some of this kind of stuff where you have sci-fi that &quot;mechanizes&quot; a technology so it&#x27;s mundane and rote.
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swagmoney1606超过 1 年前
I think about this story a lot. Is it bad it&#x27;s nearly a price I&#x27;d pay?<p>Is it dumb that I wish more than anything, that I could live forever? All I wish, is that I could learn all there is to learn, see all there is to see, and create many beautiful things. It is so sad to me that I will die before we solve the immortality problem.
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okasaki超过 1 年前
If you liked this you might also like Age of Em by Robin Hanson: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Age_of_Em" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Age_of_Em</a><p>&quot;Train an em to do some job and copy it a million times: an army of workers is at your disposal. When they can be made cheaply, within perhaps a century, ems will displace humans in most jobs. In this new economic era, the world economy may double in size every few weeks.&quot;<p>Unfortunately it seems both Hanson and qntm have been proven incorrect. Our overlords will be bootstrapped from reddit and wikipedia rather than scanned brains.
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nkurz超过 1 年前
I&#x27;m sorry if I&#x27;m missing something obvious, but why is the story titled &quot;Lena&quot;? Not the HN title---I realize that matches the linked article. My question is why &#x27;qntm&#x27; decided to give the story that title, while using &quot;mmacevedo&quot; for the URL. From what I can tell, &quot;Lena&quot; doesn&#x27;t appear anywhere else in the story.<p>My best guess is that it&#x27;s a reference to the scanned Playboy image that was used as a standard in early image processing work: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lenna" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lenna</a>. But if this is true, I&#x27;m surprised it isn&#x27;t mentioned in the article where the article discusses the meaning of the story: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qntm.org&#x2F;uploading" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qntm.org&#x2F;uploading</a>.<p>Is there a better answer?
jsnell超过 1 年前
Previous discussions:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26224835">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26224835</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32696089">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=32696089</a>
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stcredzero超过 1 年前
What I find brilliant about this work, is that it calls back to many things the scientific community has done in the past. (Like the use of specially bred lab rats and immortal human cell culture lines.) I would expect to see many of the events in the story play out in real life, if human minds ever are uploaded.
merelysounds超过 1 年前
I guess we should add (2021) to the title.<p>The story is especially relevant today because of recent LLM &#x2F; GPT advancements; however, it is almost three years old. Perhaps that makes it all the more impressive.
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gmuslera超过 1 年前
It was a great story showing the bad side of mind uploading, but with ChatGPT it can be seen in a new light.<p>We managed to have a &quot;mind&quot; ready to answer all your questions, do some tasks, and it have a context at which it is instantiated for a task and then discarded. Reality is stranger than fiction, but it have too many parallels with this story.<p>Now, what if GPT5+ ends being an AGI? In which moment we should start worrying about the morals of having a sentient AI working for us in a pretty similar way than in this story?
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kenz0r超过 1 年前
If you enjoyed the story, you might like Pantheon - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pantheon_(TV_series)" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pantheon_(TV_series)</a> which is based on a few short stories of a similar vein from Ken Liu
pokstad超过 1 年前
Reminds me of “The Redemption of Time” regarding Tianming’s mind being part of a “cloud computing” solution.
holtkam2超过 1 年前
I read this for the first time years ago and I still think about it a few times per month at least.