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Making OKRs more playful using hill charts

108 点作者 showmypost超过 1 年前

18 条评论

loughnane超过 1 年前
The most productive teams I&#x27;ve run have been when using OKRs or OKR-like schemes.<p>They&#x27;re hard to get right though. Its easy to add too much process, make planning too much of a burden, or not regularly check-in.<p>One concept that&#x27;s helped lubricate things is &quot;task-relevant maturity&quot;, which I first heard about in Andy Grove&#x27;s _High Output Management_. It&#x27;s a gross phrase but essentially means to that people who could accomplish a goal in their sleep need less help than someone who is facing something new. Accordingly, I&#x27;ve cut more slack to the former when laying out OKRs.<p>Its hard to overstate how valuable that is. Senior engineers who&#x27;ve been in the same space for eons chafe at having to do the same pedantic things as a junior engineer, and rightly so--they&#x27;ve seen a million managers and fads come and go.<p>To the point of the article I _really_ like the concept, but I&#x27;m wary of demanding another step for fear that it won&#x27;t take. Usually I try something out by myself but keep it optional for a year or two---or forever.
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willsmith72超过 1 年前
I think it could&#x27;ve used a real example, or a completed example in the template.<p>Am I right that you idea is you&#x27;re mapping the KRs to different points on the chart? Or is it about progress towards KRs?<p>It seems hard to decide where a KR lies in terms of uncertainty&#x2F;certainty when it&#x27;s just a measure
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khzw8yyy超过 1 年前
The problem with OKRs is that they are a religion. Once a metric is established it becomes a god to worship at the expense of all else, until the harmful effects of such single mindedness become painful enough that the old god is deposed and a new god put in its place. With the same myopic thought process. True leaders call this blindness &quot;focusing on what&#x27;s important&quot;.<p>Simplifying something as complex as an engineering team or a company down to a couple of variables cannot possibly model the real world. You can&#x27;t say this out loud though, because this goes against established leadership culture. You can&#x27;t be one of them philosophers. We&#x27;ve got to have achievable goals here!<p>Example: once upon a time a goal was instituted where tasks were supposed to be assigned to the engineer with the most experience in a particular area. Focus! Faster time to close a ticket! Happier engineers - they work on what they are good at!<p>See the problem yet? Meeting the goal actually made it so that there were a ton of bottlenecks. If an engineer was out sick the team lost an expert in a particular area. Engineers got bored working on the same thing day in and day out. And because the OKR killed knowledge transfer it became impossible to tackle a problem as a group.<p>And so the old metric was declared a problem and a new ridiculously limited model of the world was put in its place.
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troelsSteegin超过 1 年前
&gt; Progress is more like a hill than a straight line. Uphill: figuring things out (uncertainty, unknowns, problem-solving). Downhill: making things happen (certainty, confidence, execution)<p>This is the first time I&#x27;ve seen a &quot;hill chart&quot; and I found it a little confusing to look at - maybe because the shape looks like a normal distribution, where &quot;the sides&quot; are more uncertain and not less uncertain. If one turned a hill chart inside out, you&#x27;d get a chart like a dartboard, where as things are more certain you are closer to a bullseye in the middle, and less certain you are further away. I could see looking at OKRs that way.
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mattferderer超过 1 年前
The link to the Basecamp article from several years ago should not be overlooked - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;basecamp.com&#x2F;hill-charts" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;basecamp.com&#x2F;hill-charts</a><p>Hill charts are a great way to keep people informed about a project status. I think they make much more sense than estimates.
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raverbashing超过 1 年前
Here&#x27;s a better idea, leave OKRs only to the top levels and don&#x27;t bog lower levels with it<p>Then you can have &quot;fun&quot; with it as to find meaningful purpose since their life is missing it elsewhere
hardware2win超过 1 年前
When ive been introduced to okr Ive really liked this concept to the point that i started to use them in my private life<p>But on the other hand i dont fully like them in my work life<p>First my job forces OKRs amount and treats them equally<p>So OKR like completing half day training and sharing the learnings has the same value as multi month engineering effort.
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jdlyga超过 1 年前
Sure, OKR&#x27;s can help keep multiple teams aligned on business and product goals. And that&#x27;s an advantage that&#x27;s too big to ignore. But the problem with OKR&#x27;s is too often, they&#x27;re handed down by well meaning people multiple levels removed from the day to day software development work. There can be a lack of ground truth. But too often they miss the bottom-up intelligence, creativity, and engineering needs that comes from the people who work on the product day to day. It&#x27;s also important not to load your product roadmap into OKR&#x27;s and call it a day, or else you&#x27;ll end up with teams of people who check boxes and software that barely makes it out of the driveway. Personally, I would encourage a reflection period after each series of OKR&#x27;s. Not to just discuss outcomes amongst the senior leaders, but to collect intelligence on the ground, talk to devs, talk to users, talk to support reps, and decide what really should be the priority. But hey, what do I know I&#x27;m just a person who&#x27;s comment you&#x27;re reading.
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bhawks超过 1 年前
At a certain scale you don&#x27;t need to make OKRs fun and playful - there are enough VPs that all the OKRs read like an episode of Silicon Valley.<p>If you&#x27;re big enough to have company level OKRs that were written solely by folks that haven&#x27;t opened a text editor in 10 years simply get out the popcorn and a can of beer. There are going to be some hilarious ones in there.
gardenhedge超过 1 年前
Things look like they&#x27;re going downhill! But seriously, seems a bit pointless.
BrainInAJar超过 1 年前
we must imagine Sisyphus happy...
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Ancapistani超过 1 年前
Hmm.<p>This concept is something of a breakthrough for me, personally. I have fairly severe ADHD, and it took me about fifteen years in this industry to really find my place in it. My &quot;hill chart&quot; is more of a &quot;valley chart&quot;.<p>In dealing with my own mental abilities, I&#x27;ve found that I&#x27;ve developed a toolset that has resulted in my strengths being in aggressively removing uncertainty and finding the optimal path to implementation - because implementation is the part that I struggle with.<p>Now I&#x27;m wondering if the very effective teams that I&#x27;ve been on have been comprised of people whose &quot;charts&quot; here overlap in a way where someone is always in their &quot;downhill&quot; portion while others encounter the &quot;uphill&quot;.
28304283409234超过 1 年前
Whenever my manager starts on OKRs I ask: Great! What are the C-Level OKRs?<p>Conversation dies rather quickly then.
l1am0超过 1 年前
A while back I did build a free &amp; privacy friendly hillchart webapp. (No login)<p>Might come handy when you wanna try out that approach <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hillchart.co&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hillchart.co&#x2F;</a>
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distortionfield超过 1 年前
I would highly recommend reading the Shape Up Methodology from Basecamp if this interested you:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;basecamp.com&#x2F;shapeup" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;basecamp.com&#x2F;shapeup</a><p>It’s short, but high quality and digestible.
trabant00超过 1 年前
I can&#x27;t help feel infantilized by these games. It doesn&#x27;t make unwanted things easier to swallow, quite the opposite.<p>&quot;Here comes the airplane!&quot; is a little game that I like to play with PMs so they get to enjoy me punching them in the face. Aren&#x27;t we all having fun now, how wonderful!
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javier_e06超过 1 年前
As analogies go the hill implies a peak, there is no such thing. As a developer there a better ones:<p>Pirates navigating uncharted seas. Explorers finding their way in an abandoned coal mine. Chutes and ladders.
4pkjai超过 1 年前
I really don’t understand people who are interested in things like OKRs.
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