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Chimera Linux

267 点作者 MaximilianEmel超过 1 年前

21 条评论

krupan超过 1 年前
If you are along time GNU user (meaning GNU grep, sed, less, awk, find, tar, etc., etc.) this will be way more frustrating than you realize to use. Having lived in the UNIX days, I can still remember the subtle differences in all the command-line tools driving me nuts. This is actually how the GNU tools became popular even before Linux was a thing, you could install them on irix, hpux, sun, any UNIX, and you wouldn't have to deal with the quirky differences between hpux grep and irix grep (for example).
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5-超过 1 年前
i really like a lot of design choices in chimera linux (particularly around its packaging&#x2F;build system), but as a current alpine linux (main pc, not docker) user, i find i still can&#x27;t justify musl. i like small simple correct software, but musl, despite being all of those things, is, in my experience<p>- slower than glibc, and in occasionally difficult to predict spots;<p>- causes just a bit too much trouble porting software to it -- most upstreams are reluctant to accept patches, resulting in maintenance overhead for the distribution;<p>- occasionally subtly breaks things at runtime -- e.g. both alpine and chimera builds of firefox have the same two crashes which neither the official mozilla nor archlinux builds exhibit.<p>in the end i find i have to rely on my glibc chroot (e.g. for mozilla firefox build) too much for my liking.
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Hendrikto超过 1 年前
Even though I do not fully agree, I think this project has one of the most mature, nuanced, and balanced takes on systemd I have seen yet [0].<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chimera-linux.org&#x2F;docs&#x2F;faq#what-is-the-projects-take-on-systemd" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chimera-linux.org&#x2F;docs&#x2F;faq#what-is-the-projects-take...</a>
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LeFantome超过 1 年前
For everybody trying to figure out the point of Chimera Linux, it is Void Linux taken one step further. The founder used to be the maintainer of Void for PPC. That also explains the supported arch selection for Chimera.<p>My take on Chimera is that it is what a FreeBSD user would want if they were going to use Linux. They share the same compiler and userland. The build system rings a lot of bells.<p>At first, GNOME seems an odd choice but Chimera wants to avoid a lot of legacy and is pipewire and Wayland from the start.
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eternityforest超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s really cool, but I get worried anytime I see something that seems to want to be a user friendly, mainstream distro, after seeing how hard Manjaro tried with the whole &quot;Bring simplicity to the masses&quot; stuff and how many issues they still have.<p>Is this an experimental or hobby distro or does it intend to be something grandma can use?<p>If I had to choose this or BSD, it looks like I&#x27;d very strongly considering this or something like it, but it definitely doesn&#x27;t seem like an Ubuntu or Windows replacement. Simplicity is just not a factor end users consider.<p>As a dev who likes modern software and isn&#x27;t really into lightweight hacker friendly stuff... the odds of me using anything that&#x27;s not at least 1% or total desktop market share is pretty low. Anyone who&#x27;s not an Arch&#x2F;Kali&#x2F;BSD&#x2F;suckless enthusiast type has a finely tuned sense of &quot;Oh no, that makes me feel the same way that thinking about a project car does, I&#x27;m outta here&quot;.<p>It could drill be a wonderful worthwhile project... but it&#x27;s going to be an uphill battle to interest anyone but tinkerers and I always kind of worry about people, because this stuff takes a lot of time and without managed expectations it can really be a disappointment when it doesn&#x27;t take off. I&#x27;ve tried several times to start new projects and it&#x27;s been pretty hard realizing they&#x27;re unlikely to go anywhere anytime soon.<p>I think getting any mainstream adoption would require changing the entire software ecosystem in general. I would imagine there would be some kind of issues trying to port current mega apps like Steam or Chrome to this.<p>Plus, dynamic linking seems like it&#x27;s not that well suited to user friendly distros meant for end users.<p>Unless you have snap or Flatpak or something like that, I don&#x27;t see how you can have cutting edge large complex third party packages without at least occasional compatibility issues.<p>My experience with dynamic distros generally hasn&#x27;t been terrible, but it always seems like there&#x27;s some issue or other.<p>Does this have any kind of AppArmor type sandboxing?
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devit超过 1 年前
&quot;that a simple system does not have to require endless setup and customization to be practical&quot; and &quot;alternative userland&quot; don&#x27;t go together since obviously any &quot;alternative userland&quot; is going to break lots of stuff and thus require extensive tweaking work.
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qweqwe14超过 1 年前
Chimera was developed by the same person that ported Void Linux to PowerPC<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230811081600&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;voidlinux-ppc.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20230811081600&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;voidlinux...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;voidlinux.org" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;voidlinux.org</a>
abeyer超过 1 年前
I think I&#x27;d be a lot more excited about this if it didn&#x27;t seem to be bought into the wayland hype train.<p>I feel like they made a lot of good decisions in being simple enough without too simple, and backwards compatible enough without too much legacy... but imho wayland doesn&#x27;t fit in that same space for me (at least not yet.)
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tomphoolery超过 1 年前
Interesting take on SystemD. I personally find it very helpful, but one of its major downsides as a project is that it is, to borrow a quote from Benno Rice, &quot;aggressively Linux-specific&quot;. That said, it appears their own software choices prevent them from using it as summarized in the following quote:<p>&gt; That’s why one of the goals in Chimera is to implement the actual useful systemd functionality, but independently and in our own way, without the shortcomings.<p>I question whether it would be possible for SystemD to be portable to other software stacks? Seems like it would be useful enough to attempt that port rather than literally rewrite SystemD, and you get to satisfy _both_ the SystemD stans and the haters at the same time! But who knows, it might lead to some kind of future innovation to have competing products doing the same thing...
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LeFantome超过 1 年前
I am not sure that the founder approves of this but my current favourite way to use Chimera on the desktop is to install an Arch Linux distrobox inside it. This allows me to enjoy the base Chimera system while also having instant access to the full Arch repo and AUR catalog. It is also a simple way to run any application which currently has issues with MUSL ( since things run on Glibc inside distrobox ). Since Distrobox passes Wayland through, even graphical apps work great.<p>The goal is to run as much as possible native in Chimera but sometimes I am just trying to get something else done.<p>Chimera does not include distrobox in the repos but it does include podman so that gets you most of the way there. Anyway, it works great. I am posting this from Chimera right now.<p>Some people prefer Flatpak but I prefer old school package management. Flatpak just feels so heavy and opaque to me ( but I know opinions differ ). Distrobox certainly works better for console stuff.<p>Distrobox is just a handy tool as well and super convenient for spinning up quick sandboxes and temporary dev environments.<p>Arch is just a personal choice as well. I could have picked Void or Debian or anything else.
husam212超过 1 年前
Confusing name considering ChimeraOS which is also Linux based.
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schrodingerzhu超过 1 年前
As a side note, LLVM is developing its own libc. It is not usable for now. But it will finally grow into a fully functional one in a year or two.
suprjami超过 1 年前
&gt; Chimera is a general-purpose OS born from unhappiness with the state of Linux distributions. It&#x27;s built around the core idea that a simple system does not have to require endless setup and customization to be practical.<p>This seems disingenuous at best.<p>Many distros already supply this feature. Debian is the most notable but there are many others. Install it, make any tweaks you want from the base install, sit on it for many years unchanged.<p>Considering the next paragraph goes on to describe OpenBSD userland, LLVM compiler, and musl libc, it appears the aim is actually to build a Linux distribution without GNU.<p>I usually steer away from projects which are defined by what they are not. It seems to build a community whose roots are based in hostility.
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christophilus超过 1 年前
Interesting that it’s a rolling release. I’m partial to those on my desktops, but I want stability on my servers. The other goals of the project seem to align well with what I want in a server distro.<p>Anyway, I like the vision here, and am glad to see someone tackling things from this perspective.
pzmarzly超过 1 年前
If someone is also looking for more details on dinit, here is the repo: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;davmac314&#x2F;dinit">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;davmac314&#x2F;dinit</a>
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juliangmp超过 1 年前
A new linux distro that doesnt use systemd and is actually reasonable about it? Interesting...<p>I think I&#x27;ll keep an eye on this
Cheeeetah超过 1 年前
Seeing emacs for aarch64, I recall that Voidlinux still lacks non-x86 machines for prebuilt packages.
Loxicon超过 1 年前
what is non-GNU?
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Levitating超过 1 年前
&gt; Chimera is a general-purpose OS born from unhappiness with the state of Linux distributions.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;927&#x2F;" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;927&#x2F;</a><p>It seems to have a nice build system. But I am not sure this solves any issue any other distribution has. And with the amount of opinionated choices this distribution has I imagine there are few who it fits. I think for many, Void would be a better choice.<p>They do defend&#x2F;document their choices well. Though I don&#x27;t know why they&#x27;d support that many architectures, I think they might regret that.<p>Anyway I wish this team the best of luck. Who knows, maybe some of their homegrown projects might see use elsewhere.
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dataangel超过 1 年前
So they&#x27;re basically saying &quot;our system will be better because more things will just work&quot; but then they decided to use nonstandard libc and coreutils so actually getting existing Linux scripts and software to work in this distro will be <i>harder</i>.
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stunpix超过 1 年前
Not enough fragmentation! We need more! MORE!!!
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