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Plan to End E-Vehicle Subsidies Sparks Anger in Germany

42 点作者 the-dude超过 1 年前

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bradley13超过 1 年前
The auto industry has a huge amount of influence in Germany. Consumers are probably less bothered - all subsidy programs have an end, and people know this. However, the auto industry claiming &quot;woe is us, the economy will crash, because we are so important&quot;? That&#x27;s the backlash.<p>Germany has a deficit problem. They are expecting to run a deficit of 4.25% this year, when 3% is the upper limit if there is no emergency. This is partly because the courts have prohibited them from basically stealing 60 billion euros (unneeded emergency Covid funding - no, you can&#x27;t just add it to the regular budget). It&#x27;s good to see them tightening their belt. Long-term, one can dream that they might streamline their bureaucracy.<p>p.s. Since there are lots of USAians here: The USA is running the highest deficits of any developed country (including infamous Japan). See the latest IMF Fiscal Monitor, page 50 (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imf.org&#x2F;-&#x2F;media&#x2F;Files&#x2F;Publications&#x2F;fiscal-monitor&#x2F;2023&#x2F;October&#x2F;English&#x2F;text.ashx" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imf.org&#x2F;-&#x2F;media&#x2F;Files&#x2F;Publications&#x2F;fiscal-monito...</a>). Y&#x27;all might want to plug that leak...
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elzbardico超过 1 年前
The problem with e-vehicle subsidies is that for some reason we as society decided that an electrical car should also be a luxury car with insane and impractical acceleration, humungous range numbers and all kind of creature conforts and aesthetical fru-fru you can imagine.<p>It doesn&#x27;t even matter if people don&#x27;t get rid of their petrol boxes, as long as they are kept as a second car for the very rare long-distance trip.<p>I refuse to believe that people wouldn&#x27;t get attracted to a small and INEXPENSIVE small electric car for daily usage and commuting. We just need to sell them on this: keep your ICE if you want, we don&#x27;t care as long as you get this cheap electrical econo-box. Yes, it only gets some 60-80 miles of range, but we are not telling you to get rid of your SUV, you can keep it, this is your SECOND car.
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hiq超过 1 年前
&gt; Germany&#x27;s plans to get 15 million electric cars on the road by 2030.<p>That&#x27;s such a bad metric. Increasing the number of cars on the road is not good from an environmental perspective. Reducing the number of cars burning fossil fuels is.
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Moldoteck超过 1 年前
I hope they&#x27;ll invest the money in better directions like bike paths or, or, f*** fixing DB once and for all??? How come their train infra is in such a poor state? And it&#x27;s not like they don&#x27;t have a neighbor ranking among the best countries regarding rail infra...
thelastgallon超过 1 年前
more than 60% of all fossil fuel subsidies granted in 2022 were spent in three countries: Germany (EUR 21 billion), Italy (EUR 25 billion) and France (EUR 30 billion): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eea.europa.eu&#x2F;en&#x2F;analysis&#x2F;indicators&#x2F;fossil-fuel-subsidies" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eea.europa.eu&#x2F;en&#x2F;analysis&#x2F;indicators&#x2F;fossil-fuel...</a><p>Fossil fuel subsidies are sacrosanct. 7T subsidies just in 2022: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imf.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;Blogs&#x2F;Articles&#x2F;2023&#x2F;08&#x2F;24&#x2F;fossil-fuel-subsidies-surged-to-record-7-trillion" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imf.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;Blogs&#x2F;Articles&#x2F;2023&#x2F;08&#x2F;24&#x2F;fossil-fuel...</a>
LightBug1超过 1 年前
Yes, end EV subsidies ... as soon as they end oil subsidies.<p>Deal?
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darklycan51超过 1 年前
Germany is legit the one country in the western hemisphere doing the most damage to the future, and I am surprised how nobody calls them out on it.<p>1)Turning off nuclear and cancelling plans for new plants because literally their party, the &quot;green party&quot; originated as an anti nuclear party, so of course they don&#x27;t care and just do it for political reasons.<p>2)E-Vehicles from US and China threatening Germany&#x27;s old guard that refuses to adapt? who cares about the environment then.<p>Remember them falsifying reports and getting away with a slap in the wrist?
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V__超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s less a plan and more the result of a court case, which forced the government to reduce their budget for the next year.
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sericmotomoto超过 1 年前
I don&#x27;t understand the current news and the pointless debate. Germans knew this at the beginning of the year, if not even earlier. And there is no anger. None. Four out of a hundred people are angry about it while a majority wouldn&#x27;t have gone for an EV anyway.<p>A lot were thinking about buying a hybrid but the general population believes that the minute enough people have EVs, parts will start to break &quot;in series&quot; so that the manufacturers can increase profits.<p>Yes, there are articles and bits on TV and the internet about how maintenance costs of EVs are up to a third lower than usual but it&#x27;s really hard to believe politicians and manufacturers after things like cum-ex, the wirecard and the diesel scandal.<p>Now, none of this talk and checking statistics will result in anything but more distrust into authorities, the industry or the media, that is, if you dive deeper than the surface and the nonsense German economists are babbling on TV.<p>The subsidies are probably going to return, the latest with the next Bundestag, who will then be celebrated as being on the side of the people, while also being slightly or much more right wing, either more or less openly or secretly under the hood.<p>This whole debate is nothing but a preparation for the next election and to elevate the &quot;conservative&quot; parties.