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You've just been fucked by psyops [video]

467 点作者 mvdwoord超过 1 年前

36 条评论

matrix87超过 1 年前
If there&#x27;s one thing I&#x27;ve learned from technology, it&#x27;s that people put way too much faith in technology<p>People want to believe that the tech is good enough to build this advertising simulacrum the guy in the video refers to. It&#x27;s all a fantasy<p>People want to believe that govt and big tech are this omniscient, monolithic entity. If that was actually the case then how do they not catch whistleblowers who leave trails of evidence months before leaking?<p>Anyone who talks about tech like it&#x27;s some kind of deity clearly shouldn&#x27;t be talking about it, or at least only for the sake of marketing
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mvdwoord超过 1 年前
I attended 30C3 and was fascinated by his talk &quot;Seeing The Secret State: Six Landscapes&quot;..<p>Although there is some interesting thoughts on psychological warfare in this latest presentation, I wish it was longer and a bit more in depth. If anyone has recommendations for further viewing&#x2F;reading, please share.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.ccc.de&#x2F;v&#x2F;30C3_-_5604_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312282300_-_seeing_the_secret_state_six_landscapes_-_trevor_paglen" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.ccc.de&#x2F;v&#x2F;30C3_-_5604_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312282...</a>
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aeonik超过 1 年前
After watching this video, Veratasium&#x27;s video brings me some modicum of hope at least:<p>&quot;What The Prisoner&#x27;s Dilemma Reveals About Life, The Universe, and Everything&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;mScpHTIi-kM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;mScpHTIi-kM</a><p>Practice spotting those cognitive biases. Your Wikipedia rabbit hole may start here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_cognitive_biases" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_cognitive_biases</a>
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exo-pla-net超过 1 年前
Unhinged, wild speculation.<p>A teaser: evil corporations will make your AI girlfriends suggest that you buy Monster energy drinks.<p>Embarrassing that HN apparently has such a large tinfoil hat contingent.
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heads超过 1 年前
Thank you CCC for giving us downloadable video and audio. I’ve just downloaded this for my flight today. (I’m a passenger, not the pilot.)
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nomilk超过 1 年前
Yesterday I looked up &#x27;deep tissue massage&#x27; on Google Maps and the &quot;most relevant&quot; review on the top result seemed legit, if a bit general (I had no reason to suspect anything). That was until the last paragraph!<p>If google struggles to detect and filter out <i>obviously</i> fake reviews, it doesn&#x27;t bode well for broader society.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;20jLlg7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;20jLlg7</a>
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afiodorov超过 1 年前
transcript: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;raw.githubusercontent.com&#x2F;afiodorov&#x2F;fucked-by-psyops&#x2F;main&#x2F;transcript.txt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;raw.githubusercontent.com&#x2F;afiodorov&#x2F;fucked-by-psyops...</a>
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DrDroop超过 1 年前
Man am I glad I don&#x27;t go to this conference anymore.<p>There is something in psychology called the blue dot effect where people primed to find blue dots will start identifying purple and green as blue as well.<p>I attended because of the edgy non-corporate but otherwise technically interesting stuff. But over time I just couldn&#x27;t stand how everything that is coated in the cheap veneer of the anarcho cypher punk rebellion is accepted without any critical thought.<p>People don&#x27;t like hearing what I am saying because the same crowd frequents this site, but I find your delusional paranoid ideation a bigger attack on my sanity then whatever big tech is putting in my social media feed.<p>You like pointing your fingers at everyone else and accuse them of a big psyops, but guess what, this is what you are doing. Now go and do your worst.
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x1sec超过 1 年前
In the Q&amp;A section, the speaker remarks:<p>&quot;There is a part of the talk where I am trying to perform a little bit.. the thing that I&#x27;m also talking about. My background is in art .. and we always try to think about form and content being kind of the same thing..&quot;<p>Thoroughly entertaining, well executed.
thriftwy超过 1 年前
I believe this video is a part of psyops since it talks about a real phenomenon then diverts into irrelevant bushes.<p>P. S. Half way towards the end they admit of it. Still, wasted my half an hour.
huijzer超过 1 年前
Almost no substance in the talk. Just showing scary looking videos and pictures and making a lot of extreme claims which should reasonable if you don&#x27;t think about it. For example, he says that &quot;Google is basically useless since the generation of AI content&quot;. I can agree to saying that it has gotten less useful in the last 10 years, but &quot;basically useless&quot; is a stretch.
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kriro9jdjfif超过 1 年前
What’s funny is a website like this is exactly how a good psyop is propagated<p>Sound like you’re on your marks side, carefully construct an emotional connection via design and semantics that trigger their bias to want to believe<p>You’ve just been fucked by psyops
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lbotos超过 1 年前
Aside: That chain break animation was sick. Anyone know who&#x2F;how it was created? Love the dithered effect.
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speak_plainly超过 1 年前
This talk is complementary, Daniel Dennett and Susan Schneider on counterfeiting humans: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;YLzZ1V4S-tY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;YLzZ1V4S-tY</a><p>Dennett also brought up the problem of AI as a counterfeit human on this podcast (Theories of Everything): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;bH553zzjQlI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;bH553zzjQlI</a>
sandworm101超过 1 年前
I honestly stopped watching at the mention of MKULTRA. Too many of these talks resort to the tired tedtalk techniques of building credibility with some shoddy journalism linking something common today (facial recognition) to some past horror (mkultra+experiments on dogs) just obscure enough that people recognize it as evil but dont know any details, making them open and eager to absorb whatever bunk you shovel at them. Such links are normally made through references to obscure historical figures, conveniently dead enough that they cannot refute any allegations. Want to have a serious talk about psyops? Start by not employing such childish techniques in your own videos.<p>Here is a real psyops story. Not ancient history. Something recent involving alive people subject to modern scrutiny.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;politics&#x2F;psychological-warfare-influence-campaign-canadian-armed-forces-1.6079084" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;politics&#x2F;psychological-warfare-influ...</a>
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tsunamifury超过 1 年前
This guy pretty much just summarizes every Adam Curtis documentary.<p>Hyper normalization is a masterpiece. This is a sort of Poor summary of that.
Cockbrand超过 1 年前
I really like the talk content-wise, but don&#x27;t find it very coherent. The speaker opens a few threads left and right, but just jumps between them and doesn&#x27;t really weave them together.
cassepipe超过 1 年前
Is this video just a convoluted way to say that UFOs are a psyop to cover experiment on stealth aircrafts by the military ? Or is there more to it ? I watched the whole of it but it seemed... superficial ? What did I miss ?
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diimdeep超过 1 年前
There is more info here<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;paglen.studio&#x2F;psyops&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;paglen.studio&#x2F;psyops&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pacegallery.com&#x2F;journal&#x2F;announcing-trevor-paglens-new-speculative-reality-work-and-related-web3-series&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pacegallery.com&#x2F;journal&#x2F;announcing-trevor-paglen...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pacegallery.com&#x2F;journal&#x2F;trevor-paglens-abridged-guide-psyops&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pacegallery.com&#x2F;journal&#x2F;trevor-paglens-abridged-...</a>
TriangleEdge超过 1 年前
The data point I can offer is this: from my experience, psychopaths are real, and the governments of the world don&#x27;t have a leash on them, regardless of their democracy status [1]. In my mind, those of you who built the tools to send data to the govt, you fueled some demons, regardless of how good of an action you think you were doing was. I find it tricky tho, because I do have this belief in arms races, so exploit or be exploited. In economics, they call it a race to the bottom. I also think AI is going to be to most abused persuasion weapon ever.<p>[1] I worked for Palantir pre IPO.
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nonrandomstring超过 1 年前
May I just put something out there, make of it what you will.<p>There is such a thing as <i>good influence and useful psyops</i>. Maybe, given multiple narratives of the world, there are some that are objectively better than others, not for special interests but for everyone - though who is to be the judge of that?<p>At the foundation level we do this every day in schools and universities around the world. We call it &quot;education&quot;. Indeed it is a very strong form of psyops because it is often compulsory.<p>Many of us here are, or have been, involved in a dark and seedy side, namely &quot;advertising&quot;, to sell products that nobody needs or can afford, putting ever more burden on the planet to make wealth for the few. Much as I&#x27;d like to see the destruction of the advertising industry, it&#x27;s quite woven into human affairs.<p>Indeed, right here on HN, I repeatedly hear the sentiment that &quot;people are too stupid to make up their own minds&quot; - that we as technologists must guide them, make UX decisions, be caretakers of their data, privacy and security, because... well because we are the &quot;elite who know better&quot;. That&#x27;s not entirely untrue however arrogant its kernel. Though I personally, firmly believe the contrary, as an ideology. Making technology is a powerful form of influence because it shapes how people see the world.<p>At the end of the day the important questions is of <i>intent</i> and <i>methods</i>. Do you make influence in the world with integrity and good faith? Or are you a selfish, greedy, Machiavellian manipulator out to further your own ends? Or a tool for others to? I hope that in the work I have done for BBC and British Govt, it&#x27;s the former, and that I&#x27;ve exercised good judgement.<p>However, trying to influence people to be sceptical and have critical thinking has paradoxical sides that Monty Python and George Carlin put best.<p>So I&#x27;ll share that I am inspired by Darth Vader.... :)<p>I&#x27;s no secret that David Prowse (body actor) was interviewed toward the end of his life and poured scorn on the Vader role, and on George Lucas. He said, on it was not something he was particularly proud of. The thing he saw as his life achievement was as &quot;The Green Cross Man&quot; a cheesy 1970&#x27;s road safety influence campaign conservatively estimated to have saved the lives of half a million children.<p>Sure, influence based on fear and deception is the worst, and weakest kind. But not all messages &quot;with an agenda&quot; are to be mistrusted with respect to their intent, even if one sceptically, rightly, rejects people who think they &quot;know what s good for you&quot;.<p>Thinkers from Aristotle to Quine, Shannon, Ayer and Wittgenstein have pointed out that there are no such things as &quot;bare messages&quot;, containing neutral, objective truths. Every byte of information, if it actually &quot;informs&quot;, contains with it an implicit agenda and context. Every poem or song has a feeling to convey. Even my thermometer is concerned with whether the room is too hot or too cold (who said that i forget?).<p>So maybe the quest for something that <i>isn&#x27;t</i> &quot;influence&quot; is misguided? Perhaps the problem is that we focus on and allow a minority of toxic influencers to prevail, for psychological reasons we&#x27;ve not yet wised up to. Selectivity is the key.
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TurkishPoptart超过 1 年前
Interesting that Richard Doty, the man being quoted in the video, doesn&#x27;t have his own Wikipedia page. Is this part of perception management? He is only alluded to in this documentary film&#x27;s page: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mirage_Men" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mirage_Men</a>
yuvadam超过 1 年前
There&#x27;s a live game going on until Saturday at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cyclops.sh&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cyclops.sh&#x2F;</a>
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adultSwim超过 1 年前
&quot;GHOSTS IN THE MACHINE&quot; (3:35) flex&#x2F;recruiting video for the US Army&#x27;s 4th Psychological Operations Group<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw</a>
happytiger超过 1 年前
This is essentially just fifth generation warfare, of which people seem to be insanely ignorant.<p>I often talk to people who argue about whether it exists or whether governments can be sophisticated enough to launch these kinds of campaigns.<p>I fear for humanity.<p>Great talk.
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swayvil超过 1 年前
Here&#x27;s a heuristic for detecting psyops.<p>When the public opinion becomes nigh uniform. When near 99% of everybody agrees. When you see them mouthing the same catchy phrases. That&#x27;s a psyop.<p>Because normally there are a dozen or more flavors of opinion floating around.
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Waterluvian超过 1 年前
Such paranoia and cognitive dissonance. “Why did this soldier lament that he’s a war criminal? Hmm. The Koreans must have figured out mind control techniques and are making him say this stuff. We’d better do it too then.”
thinkingemote超过 1 年前
A scary frightening conspiracy theory is actually comforting and reassuring. It gives a reason why there is evil and chaos and says that there are people in charge of things.<p>It&#x27;s much less reassuring and more terrifying to look at the world and see that no one knows what&#x27;s going on really, there isn&#x27;t some brainy think tank with a 1000 year secret plan for the future, that randomness and chaos and brokenness is the default.<p>Conspiracy at any level tells us that there is a plan and tells us where we are in relation to that plan.
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29athrowaway超过 1 年前
People that master this art can go work in Human Resources.
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zvmaz超过 1 年前
The tone and aesthetics of the video feels like I am watching a &quot;conspiracy theory&quot; video made to elicit all my psychological triggers and biases towards believing in a &quot;grand conspiracy&quot; to control us (paradoxically, the video feels like exactly that: tricks to elicit specific psychological responses). True or not, I stopped watching it.
jruohonen超过 1 年前
A nice talk! Now we have also new terminology; from <i>surveillance capitalism</i> to <i>psyop capitalism</i>.<p>Yet, the issue is that the former still arguably works poorly at persuasion; hence, <i>Republik</i>.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38792095">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38792095</a>
t0bia_s超过 1 年前
Are there anywhere EN subtitles for this video?
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dappermanneke超过 1 年前
seems like incomprehensible nonsense for hacker news retirees to fill time with
jdthedisciple超过 1 年前
Kagi Summary:<p><pre><code> Military and intelligence agencies conducted extensive research into mind control, brainwashing, hypnosis, drugs, and other means of manipulating human perception during the Cold War era. This was known as &quot;brain warfare.&quot; The CIA investigated claims of psychic abilities and UFOs, seeing them as potential weapons that could influence mass hysteria or disrupt defenses. They sought to debunk UFO beliefs through media campaigns. Early computer programs like ELIZA showed how simple linguistic tricks could create the illusion of intelligence, influencing how people perceive machines. New technologies are enabling highly personalized and targeted manipulation of individual perceptions through media and recommendation algorithms. UFOs became a tool for psychological operations, helping cover advanced military programs and creating plausible deniability for secret aircraft. Illusionists and magicians taught covert agents how to use deception and surreptitiously deliver drugs or toxins. The boundaries between human and machine perception are blurring, with AI able to generate personalized hallucinations at scale. Cognitive warfare aims to exploit vulnerabilities in how we perceive the world through adversarial hallucinations and prompt injections. Reality itself has become suspect, with everything seen as potential memes or cognitive attacks vying to manipulate us. Recent U.S. government discussions of UFOs touch on long-running military-intelligence programs while provoking confusion and speculation.</code></pre>
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RandomLensman超过 1 年前
The gap between those that can afford to interact a lot with the physical world &amp; decision makers and those who cannot will grow ever bigger.
heckraiser超过 1 年前
Thought control is far more advanced than any modern layperson can grasp. Our minds are analog quantum tech and can be linked through entanglement.<p>They’re not just mind fucking you, they are running a secret government of power in parallel to our own.<p>They screw the government at every opportunity.<p>The government and big tech aren’t thought control, thought control are the voices in their heads. Thought control are the voices in all of our heads. Their secret state has outgrown a contemporary society that refuses to believe it is even possible, let alone exist.<p>We are not alone in our own minds, and thought control is running a secret state of extortion against us all.