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Misty Programming Language

58 点作者 Matrixik超过 1 年前

14 条评论

s6ro超过 1 年前
As a sucker :-P for actor based systems was immediately reminded of Pony (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ponylang.io&#x2F;discover&#x2F;#what-is-pony" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ponylang.io&#x2F;discover&#x2F;#what-is-pony</a>)
mlinksva超过 1 年前
Crockford&#x27;s RacketCon 2023 talk <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vMDHpPN_p08" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vMDHpPN_p08</a> covers Misty (it&#x27;s apparently specification-only so far) and is generally fun.<p>Added: couple of previous submissions with a handful of comments <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38680087">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38680087</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38114122">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38114122</a>
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layer8超过 1 年前
It’s strange that the syntax is not afraid of using non-ASCII Unicode characters (e.g. « », ≤, ≈, ƒ) but then uses the ASCII digraphs &#x2F;\ and \&#x2F; for logical AND and OR instead of ∧ and ∨.
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mratsim超过 1 年前
After saying that it&#x27;s a dynamic general-purpose, actor language, the introduction talks about spacing style, comment style, naming and purity.<p>That&#x27;s very lackluster. Show me a Fizzbuzz or an advent of code. Tell me a story of why it exists.<p>Now the only discussion I can have is why are there no reserved words and can we call our functions and variables &quot;set&quot;, &quot;call&quot; and &quot;def&quot; then?
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Turing_Machine超过 1 年前
Willing to at least look at it, given that it&#x27;s Crockford.<p>On first glance, I like the patterns. It&#x27;s long past time that regex got replaced with something that looks less like line noise from an old dialup modem.
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JackMorgan超过 1 年前
My initial reactions:<p>The good:<p>- network-crossing actor model, but with private addresses and built in routing and security capabilities<p>- object component security<p>- null means null<p>- immutability<p>- AWK-like pattern DSL<p>- functino is a cool way to have your infix operators cake and eat it too as prefix functions<p>The bad:<p>- no type checking on variables, parameters, record fields, record shapes, actor messages, etc<p>- practically need to buy a new keyboard to type all the symbols like &#x27;≈&#x27;, &#x27;≠&#x27;, &#x27;ƒ&#x27;, etc<p>- null punning seems great until you&#x27;re looking at a null three function calls later and have no idea where it came from<p>Unsure:<p>- No reserved names means it&#x27;s very easy to accidentally overwrite a primordial with no warning, I suspect someone will instantly build a linter that makes that a rule because this just looks like a foot-gun<p>Ultimately, this looks like JavaScript without all the foot-guns. Add in some modern features like actors, immutability, and a pattern matching DSL. Add in some new foot-guns like primordial renaming and null punning.<p>If I could snap my fingers and today be able to write Misty in the browser, I&#x27;d definitely use it for performance intensive code alongside Typescript until TypedMisty came out, then I&#x27;d probably switch for good.<p>However, I&#x27;d be absolutely shocked if any major browsers ever support Misty. So it&#x27;ll probably remain a server side scripting language, which I definitely do not need. Why would I use this on the server for scripting over F#, Clojure, Elixir, or Go?
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bvrmn超过 1 年前
It seems Nota doesn&#x27;t allow to represent all float numbers and `null`. It could be a big issue.
wormius超过 1 年前
Look forward to checking it out more, but I found the Turkish &#x27;i&#x27; functions particularly interesting. Seems oddly specific - are there not other languages with similar situation? Why isn&#x27;t this abstracted, I wonder, or why is it included at all? Seems &quot;kitchen sink&quot;-y. Maybe there&#x27;s some explanation somewhere. Anyways, love Crockford, helped save a project with his JS deepcopy implementation (in addition to JSON and all the other work he&#x27;s done with the programming community)
JonChesterfield超过 1 年前
&gt; Functions are first-class values...<p>Good<p>&gt; Functions can not be sent in messages to other actors<p>Oh, so not first class. Mutable closures are tricky to implement though, so fair enough.<p>&gt; Function objects are immutable values.<p>Huh. That means you can easily send a function to another actor. Can even serialise it and send it over a network. That stuff is a real pain for closures over mutable state but totally straightforward for immutable values.<p>That seems like a implementation limitation turning up in the language spec instead of fixing the implementation.
jacknews超过 1 年前
&quot;The language is quite strict in its use of spaces and indentation.&quot;<p>Not this again. Please stop.<p>Code structure should be explicitly denoted with brackets or whatever. Code <i>formatting</i> is cosmetic, can be applied automatically, and serves as a &#x27;double-entry book-keeping&#x27; type check on the structure coded in characters - ie you can easily spot structure errors by pretty-printing.
havercosine超过 1 年前
Overall there&#x27;s very little to understand from the page in terms of motivation, sample examples etc. But, one interesting thing: The math module allows choosing between radians, degrees and more importantly cycles. I only know of one more project, Pico8 fantasy console, which offers this correct &quot;API&quot; for trigonometry.
redbar0n超过 1 年前
to see how the language (likely) looks like, try this input into perplexity.ai :<p>show me the 3 simplest examples of rosettacode implemented in crockford&#x27;s misty programming language
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ralphc超过 1 年前
There&#x27;s already a dynamic, general-purpose, transitional, actor language, that I&#x27;m a big fanboy of, and that&#x27;s Elixir.<p>I don&#x27;t see anything here that would make me switch from Elixir, especially with its big ecosystem and head start.
wstrom超过 1 年前
Do we need more new languages? Will AI need a number of languages to complete the the task?
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