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Threads.net is the new app.net but with ads and interoperable

112 点作者 jayveeone超过 1 年前

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zmmmmm超过 1 年前
This fits into the category of plausible but entirely evidence free conjecture as far as I'm concerned. I don't need more explanation for why Zuckerberg started Threads than opportunism over Twitter's demise and their desire to mitigate the worst impacts of regulation by "open-washing" their brand.
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pityJuke超过 1 年前
&gt; The biggest lie in the Fediverse is that Mastodon is too small for Meta to care about. By all accounts and reason, that&#x27;s simply not true. Zuck is in this impossible position because of how often and indiscriminately he kills off start-ups. Universities have studied it.<p>Hm, not sure I buy this particular argument vis a vi the Fediverse. Meta&#x27;s acquistions feels like they&#x27;re about acquiring growing competitors they fear will overtake them.<p>But Threads already usurpsed the Fediverse the day it released. It doesn&#x27;t realistically have to worry about the Fediverse eating its bacon.<p>General comments on the article: it&#x27;s not an idea I considered at all, and certainly, Meta is worth viewing with as much cynicism as you can throw at it.<p>&gt; Meta can swap the protocol out with something proprietary<p>That feels as if that would invite regulator&#x27;s immediately. Why even adopt ActivityPub if they plan on dropping it? Hell, if you want a protocol nobody is using, but you could adopt with the cover of pretending that you like openness, adopt BlueSky&#x27;s ATProtocol.
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deepsquirrelnet超过 1 年前
&gt; For the adventurous, Meta would likely provide tools, resources, and UI kits for developing bespoke threads.net apps. Thanks to Llama, Meta&#x27;s open-source AI development tool, almost anyone can build their very own social media platform.<p>Really lost me here. To frame that llama is part of a strategic plan to enable a wider pool of developers really feels like a stretch. For one thing, access to gpt and copilot is already pretty reasonable compared to the price of GPUs. The code quality from open models is improving, but unless you already know quite a bit about programming, you’ll struggle to make something work.
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viksit超过 1 年前
(founder building a content monetization layer for creators on decentralized protocols here)<p>i’ve been thinking about this for a few years now. my two cents.<p>ad models stop scaling with the gorwth of decentralized social protocols because no centralized entity exists to coordinate their delivery. inventory, algorithms, personalization, or even the chrome where these ads are served.<p>the economics are also bad. byte dance makes 50b$ plus every year but their creator fund is 200mm. spotify paid snoop dog 40k for 1B streams.<p>the main way to make money (and my bet) will be enabling creators to connect &#x2F; monetize &#x2F; build community directly with their audience rather than get disintermediated by the likes of meta and tiktok.<p>these will likely need to happen on different app views (web&#x2F;mobile) for different nodes.<p>activity pub has very poor support to coordinate something at scale and build in a consistent way - something i think @atproto does very well.<p>i imagine meta has decided to answer the question of how to serve ads in an increasingly decentralized world and still be in control - but this may be harder than anyone thinks?
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lapcat超过 1 年前
&gt; This is a plan years in the making.<p>I have a really hard time believing that. To me, Threads clearly looks like Meta scrambling to take advantage of the opportunity handed to them by Twitter&#x27;s self-destruction. In every way, Threads has looked unripe, slapdash.<p>If the &quot;platform&quot; was the point, then why did Threads ship <i>without</i> ActivityPub support?<p>&gt; Martin Reece, creator of Micro.blog<p>It&#x27;s <i>Manton</i> Reece. The author mostly lost me at the beginning, but here&#x27;s where they totally lost me.<p>&gt; Mastodon has experienced server admins and nine million users that Meta can siphon after it fully invades the platform.<p>Many Mastodon server admins are amateurs who are frankly not very qualified. I&#x27;ve had to perform <i>two</i> migrations (finally ending up at mastodon.social) because of incompetent and&#x2F;or absentee server admins.<p>I used and loved app.net, but app.net was actually forced to pivot from a Twitter clone (it was a very good clone, the best ever IMO) to a &quot;platform provider&quot; because not enough Twitter users were wiling to abandon Twitter for app.net, so it couldn&#x27;t achieve critical mass. Ironically, app.net started with the subcription model that Twitter is now trying to adopt for itself (without much success AFAIK).
dataking超过 1 年前
&gt; It sounds absurd that the biggest social media company would pivot from its golden goose. But when you peek into Meta&#x27;s egg basket, you see it&#x27;s empty.<p>Lost me there. Meta made $34B on digital advertising in Q3, if that&#x27;s not a golden egg (from the investor perspective), IDK what is.
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tallowen超过 1 年前
Starting a social network today is harder than it was 20 years ago. Content moderation, spam prevention, privacy controls have much higher expectations than they did.<p>I want to see competition in this space. Facebook investing in infrastructure to sell such that new products can compete with theirs seems like it might lead to that.<p>If Facebook were to develop these APIs, other platform providers could also implement similar APIs for products meaning that FB wouldn&#x27;t be solely in control. I&#x27;m excited about new infrastructure in this play because I think it could lead to more dynamic peer to peer interactions.
ourcat超过 1 年前
app.net was great for developers. We made money each month based on user feedback. It was worth the higher membership fee to access all that too.<p>Sadly, and despite the way it was originally funded (by the users), I believe they took some VC funding, which ultimately killed the platform since it wasn&#x27;t getting the growth that the investors wanted.<p>Actually, if Elon wants &#x27;X&#x27; to become an &#x27;everything app&#x27;, one way which that could be done is through opening up to more app devs to build their own apps on the platform, as it used to be. Sadly, I don&#x27;t think they&#x27;ve got the will or the manpower to do that these days.
stevebmark超过 1 年前
Threads is terrible. It’s already dead.
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notfried超过 1 年前
How&#x27;s Threads doing from the POV of HN crowd? It seems to me like a clone of Instagram, with some celebreties double-posting their X or Instagram content to it. After its first few weeks, I probably have visited once a month.
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lapcat超过 1 年前
The title of the article is &quot;Copy, Acquire, Kill— How Meta could pull off the most extraordinary pivot in tech history&quot;. The submission title is just the title of one section of the article.
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rockwotj超过 1 年前
&gt; Thanks to Llama, Meta&#x27;s open-source AI development tool, almost anyone can build their very own social media platform.<p>I don’t believe this in a second. Even if an AI could cobble code together to make an entire social media platform, there is a lot that goes into building something like this. Even if you could make a Twitter clone in an hour with Firebase, you have to figure out how to get people to use your platform, which usually seems to happen because of network effects.
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matricaria超过 1 年前
I‘m so happy to see App.net mentioned. I love that place and have been searching for something similar ever since. Yet I highly doubt Threads is that place (although I never tried it).
cebert超过 1 年前
This piece suggests that Meta may be pivoting towards being a platform as a service provider for social media companies. Next, it highlights recent legislation and regulations that apply to social media companies that is costly to implement and benefits incumbents like Meta. Wouldn’t these same regulators be concerned about Meta becoming the centralized federation service between all these nodes and providers? They’d still have monopoly on ad revenue and content moderation.
chris_wot超过 1 年前
Why would anyone trust Zuckerberg? You know, Facebook had the ability to create apps when it first opened to the general public. They dropped it - why would they start again?<p>I doubt Zuckerberg wants another social media company competing with him.
zubairq超过 1 年前
Does this mean that Meta is going to build a whole set of nodes, and possibly a blockchain to implement their own app.net app network, where facebook, whatsapp, messaging, will just be apps on their own platform?
evbogue超过 1 年前
Threads is the new Google+
refulgentis超过 1 年前
I don&#x27;t think it makes sense to justify this via insider exclusive about how 25% of Facebook&#x27;s revenue would come from it in 5 years..when the comment was 5 years ago.
chx超过 1 年前
Threads...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hachyderm.io&#x2F;@timbray@cosocial.ca&#x2F;111637645737943991" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hachyderm.io&#x2F;@timbray@cosocial.ca&#x2F;111637645737943991</a><p>&gt; Wave of anti-trans attack in progress on #threads - someone has figured out to game the algorithm so it&#x27;s in a high proportion of people&#x27;s “For You” feeds. Not clear if it&#x27;s a moderation failure or if Threads is ok with this stuff.
xbar超过 1 年前
Will it host my Discord server?
KaiserPro超过 1 年前
&gt; This is a plan years in the making. And we&#x27;re watching Meta&#x27;s biggest hurdle play out in real-time.<p>No.<p>Threads was not planned. Meta really really struggles with any long term execution.<p>Threads was the last of the &quot;bottoms up&quot; initiatives[0]. Had this been a properly sanctioned &quot;bet&quot; from the &quot;product council&quot;[1], they would have stuffed 200 engineers on it from the start and let them fight about scope until the money ran out (see most of the internal VR products, AR glasses, genAI, that crypto currency, market place, dating, etc)<p>Threads.net will never really truly be interoperable with mastodon for any particular length of time. As soon as shit like porn&#x2F;spam&#x2F;fraud starts to float around in high enough numbers to make someone important notice, the federation will be toned down.<p>Or, more likely, some &quot;lead&quot; engineer will want to put in a new feature to get themselves promoted and make a change that&#x27;s not compatible with the wider fediverse.<p>Facebook cannot execute in any new market particularly well or fast. Threads was a fluke. It was one of the only self made products that actually taken off.<p>&gt; But here&#x27;s the question— why ActivityPub?<p>I suspect, and from what I&#x27;ve heard, is that threads is basically some horrid bastardisation of mastodon with the data store ported to facebook&#x27;s internal graph store. It was done mostly for speed, so they could get something working to demo to the higher ups.<p>Now, that threads has numbers (so I assume) they will flood it with engineers, who will start adding useless ill-thought out featurettes that get promotions and move micro metrics, but degrade the entire platform.<p>[0] they are trying to steer to a central control system, but the problem is that nobody can plan. Those that can can&#x27;t function because they&#x27;ve not been at facebook long enough to know who to wank off to get buy in.<p>[1]or what ever its called now, Cox&#x27;s circle jerk, but less obviously taking the piss<p>&gt; But he can&#x27;t not grow the company. Wall Street won&#x27;t allow it. And he can&#x27;t grow it through acquisition because of anti-trust. He&#x27;s stuck.<p>No, Zuck knows his bollocks are stapled to both google and apple. moreover FB&#x2F;Insta have a limited shelf life. In order to survive, zuck has to own the next platform. His bet is that platform is AR&#x2F;VR.<p>Hence why oculus is being pumped full of cash.
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noodlesUK超过 1 年前
I can tell you that this article was written by someone who has never attempted to use Facebook’s developer tooling.<p>Their dev portal is constantly broken in different ways, it blocks you from making changes at random because it needs to run some kind of heuristics to see if you’re doing something malicious (even with webauthn 2fa).<p>We recently tried to get a Facebook app approved to use the pages_messaging permission. You need to have test users to pass verification. Unfortunately, you can no longer create test users on their platform since October of this year. If you try to use a real dummy user, it will get banned immediately when the application testers log in from another country.<p>Aside from that, you end up with corporate assets being owned by people’s personal Facebook accounts, because there’s no reasonable way to use SSO or similar. It’s just downright terrible.<p>I’ve used the offerings from all of the big tech companies, and Facebook&#x2F;Metas is far and away the most hostile. You get what you pay for.<p>I will eat my hat if Meta successfully builds a cloud services platform for other tech companies given the state of their developer tooling in all their other business lines.
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dumpsterlid超过 1 年前
<i>yawn</i> I’m sorry but why do we need a corporation to profit off of the social network we use? I am not excited for any new corporate social network because after using mastodon and lemmy it has become crystal clear that social networks as a “technology” are a terrible business. Either you make a social network healthy for its users or you profit off of them. Pick one.<p>It is like the concept of hospitals being privatized businesses. It is insane when you step back and actually think about it. Do I want the doctors, nurses, janitors and staff to get paid for doing hard work at the hospital?<p>Absolutely! Why does an abstract entity, the financial instrument of a private hospital, need to profit off of my care?<p>Hey I see a bright future for companies selling the service of turnkey lemmy, mastodon, pixelfed and peertube instances so maybe Facebook can get into that and be a nice little small reasonable company helping instance admins out instead of a monstrously poorly run corporation that tears apart the social fabric of society for profit.<p>:)<p><i>edit</i> wait did this article seriously just call the guy running the open source project mastodon, “CEO”…?
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