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Making the web fun again (2013)

170 点作者 sumnole超过 1 年前

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kyledrake超过 1 年前
Hello! I&#x27;m still working on Neocities (was in the middle of working on it just now) and I still love working on it. I work on it year round but do most of the huge changes in big pushes (scheduled conveniently between summer and winter, or as the outdoor adventure weirdos like to call it &quot;the shoulder seasons&quot;).<p>I&#x27;ve got a few posts on the TODO list, including a 10 year recap with my thoughts on this blog post and the modern web, and an infra talk (I&#x27;ve promised HN I would show how we did our Anycast CDN with our own IP addresses, sorry for the delay).<p>I&#x27;ll try not to go to long here, suffice to say I&#x27;m a little surprised with my own writings. I did see some existential problems for the internet in terms of culture, but I also felt like a lot of my premonitions were wishful thinking directed towards making the project successful. So it&#x27;s even been a real shocker for me to see social media (especially Twitter) take a massive nosedive into the dirt over the last few years (which I&#x27;m still sad about, I loved old Twitter), and we&#x27;ve seen a quite substantial increase in new sites and traffic in tandem, which has required a lot of thoughtful (and occasionally rash) upgrades to infrastructure. Things overall are going well and I expect that we&#x27;ll have another solid year here and won&#x27;t be running into any sustainability issues.<p>I wanted to thank the HN community once again for your support all these years. HN was our &quot;angel investor&quot;, because we received over $20k in donations after we announced on HN, and that was the funding required to get things booted up and running. Without that initial donation push, I&#x27;m not sure the platform would have been as successful as it has been. We remain to this day a self-sustaining platform with no needed investment, thanks to Neocities supporters.<p>And FWIW, I still find the HN community to be the most thoughtful and interesting conversations on the web right now, even when I don&#x27;t necessarily agree with everyone (or I say something stupid and get deservedly knocked down for it). Thanks for that, too, y&#x27;all are amazing and I hope you have a solid 2024.
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shp0ngle超过 1 年前
This telling - &quot;yahoo bought geocities and shut it down, thus shutting the open web&quot; - ignores the fact that all the other similar services died a similar fate. All the tripods and angelfires, they started being (1) ignores by general public (2) overrun by spam.<p>I wonder how does neocities battle spam&#x2F;bad actors problem.<p>edit: but maybe I come as too negative. If neocities are working for someone and bring them joy then good
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dang超过 1 年前
Discussed at the time:<p><i>Making the web fun again</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5957850">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5957850</a> - June 2013 (232 comments)<p>plus a bit:<p><i>Making the Web Fun Again (2013)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27192773">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27192773</a> - May 2021 (1 comment)<p>and more generally:<p><i>Neocities: A platform that lets you create your own website&#x2F;follow other&#x27;s sites</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33648618">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=33648618</a> - Nov 2022 (22 comments)<p><i>Neocities showcase – endless source of HTML inspiration</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28953649">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28953649</a> - Oct 2021 (1 comment)<p><i>Neocities, a 21st century reincarnation of GeoCities</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26821746">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26821746</a> - April 2021 (1 comment)<p><i>Neocities: Free, modern Geocities reboot</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13445181">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13445181</a> - Jan 2017 (99 comments)<p><i>NeoCities can now handle two million web sites</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6020776">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6020776</a> - July 2013 (98 comments)<p><i>NeoCities</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5918724">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5918724</a> - June 2013 (209 comments)
alexmolas超过 1 年前
I read a post without noticing it was written in 2013 and thought it was a great idea. It&#x27;s sad that after 10 years, we have only managed to make the internet worse. With the introduction of LLMs, the situation is expected to worsen. Maybe companies like Kagi will help with this problem, but I don&#x27;t think the situation will improve anytime soon.
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nonethewiser超过 1 年前
This cool site was inspired by neocities. Major early web vibes.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dimden.dev&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dimden.dev&#x2F;</a>
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gfodor超过 1 年前
Webspaces[1] is my answer to this call for the 3D web emergent metaverse. It&#x27;s just HTML that you can host anywhere that is rendered as a 3D multiplayer world via p2p webrtc.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webspaces.space" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webspaces.space</a>
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jrmg超过 1 年前
(2013)<p>Looks like this is from the dawn of NeoCities.
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leke超过 1 年前
I remember when this was announced on hacker news and I snagged an great sub domain name. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;420.neocities.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;420.neocities.org&#x2F;</a>
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TIPSIO超过 1 年前
Theory: In the not so distance future, “presentation” (design, etc…) will be moved entirely to the user for static sites.<p>Small, locally run AI will digest and output all content configured perfectly to the users preference. CSS will essentially become a recommendation language for source material at most.<p>Many benefits will come from this such as solving accessibility permanently or being able to change how you choose to consume content by modifying layout on-demand.<p>The new goal will not be how to design fun, unique sites — instead simply how fast and easy to get the content up on the net.
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EGreg超过 1 年前
<i>Massive web corporations flush with stock market cash acquired startups for billions of dollars, like rich brats that wanted a cool new toy, but then quickly got tired of it and threw it away. And in the end, we lost a lot of great ideas, companies, and user content that would have otherwise prospered.</i><p>This could be a way out: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;15&#x2F;open-source-communities&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2021&#x2F;01&#x2F;15&#x2F;open-source-communities&#x2F;</a><p>Related:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cointelegraph.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;how-a-web-that-lost-its-way-can-find-a-new-one" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cointelegraph.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;how-a-web-that-lost-its-way-c...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laweekly.com&#x2F;restoring-healthy-communities&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laweekly.com&#x2F;restoring-healthy-communities&#x2F;</a><p>I also interviewed Ian Clarke about Freenet:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=JWrRqUkJpMQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=JWrRqUkJpMQ</a><p>Here is his latest work: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=yBtyNIqZios" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=yBtyNIqZios</a>
WobbuPalooza超过 1 年前
I&#x27;ve enjoyed using Neocities for obscure amateur hobby content, translating 16th-19th C. parlor games that involve creating stories or doing a little light roleplaying: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wobbupalooza.neocities.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wobbupalooza.neocities.org&#x2F;</a><p>One quirk that comes to mind is &#x2F;whatever.html files automatically redirect to &#x2F;whatever, so I guess you should treat the name without the .html as canonical<p>It is open source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;neocities">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;neocities</a><p>Reasonably featureful: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;supporter" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;supporter</a><p>I don&#x27;t use its developer API, but it has one: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;api" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;neocities.org&#x2F;api</a><p>It&#x27;s been a nice place to host a simple static site. On a personal level, I guess I could probably use GitHub pages just as well? I haven&#x27;t really thought about it, but Neocities occupies a different niche--small, social, especially friendly to people learning about the web--that I&#x27;ve been happy building on.
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cxf12超过 1 年前
This was a period where web site discovery services like Stumbleupon were all the rage. It was like spinning the Wheel of Fortune anticipating where you&#x27;d land. It was fun! Then poof. It disappeared.
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WesSouza超过 1 年前
4th time’s a charm<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;from?site=blog.neocities.org">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;from?site=blog.neocities.org</a>
pacificmaelstrm超过 1 年前
But there&#x27;s nothing stopping anyone from making their own website. There are even lots of free options for hosting, the problem is audience, which is captured and driven by platforms.<p>There must be a way to dispense with platforms entirely...
darklycan51超过 1 年前
&quot;Go to a Facebook profile, and ponder what we have now. Instead of having adventures into the great unknowns of the web, we instead now spend most of our time on social networks: boring, suburban gated communities, where everybody’s “profile” looks exactly the same, and presents exactly the same content, in the same arrangement. Rarely do we create things on these networks; Instead, we consume, and report on our consumption. The uniformity and blandness rival something out of a Soviet bloc residential apartments corridor. And now adding to that analogy, we’ve found out that our government is actually spying on us while we’re doing it, in ways the Stasi could only dream of. The web we have today is a sad, pathetic, consumption-oriented digital iron curtain, and we need to change that.&quot;<p>Exactly what I felt when Youtube removed the ability to customize your channel in 2011, deleted my by then fairly large channel in protest (3000 subs in 2011 was alright sized)
wlonkly超过 1 年前
This aside in the article caught my eye:<p>&gt; Yahoo! acquired GeoCities in 1999 for $3.57 billion in bubble stock, and at the time (and perhaps still today) had a toxic approach to acquisitions that would effectively ruin the startups they acquired. Everyone is holding their breath on the Tumblr acquisition to see if they learned their lessons from the previous failures. Hopefully they did.<p>I come from the future bearing bad news.
verisimi超过 1 年前
The web isn&#x27;t un-fun because of a lack of Geocities or crap websites.<p>The web today is at least partly a trap, and people are flies to be tranquilised, liquidised and digested from the inside out by governments and corporations. At least that is what they think.<p>We now know about secret courts, that everything is being recorded to be replayed and reanalysed, continuous tracking, etc. It&#x27;s a gilded cage, there are doughnuts in there, pron, games - lots of flashing lights.<p>Anyway, if you&#x27;re in a cage, even a gilded one, it changes behaviour. Similarly, if you&#x27;re packed into a densely populated urban area your behaviour changes again.<p>What &#x27;fun&#x27; even means to an animal in a cage, in a framework not of their own making, versus what a wild animal thinks is not comparable, not even on the same plane of existence.
dt3ft超过 1 年前
Signup does not work on mobile. The button “continue” doesn’t do anything.
dusted超过 1 年前
A large amount of the submissions to join my webring ( geekring.net ) comes from neocities users, and it&#x27;s always a joy to visit their pages, a lot of creativity goes into them!
charlie0超过 1 年前
While I really admire this, I can&#x27;t help but think we live in an entirely different era.<p>How do you deal with content moderation?<p>The spammers&#x2F;native advertisers generating useless content to make a few pennies?
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1-6超过 1 年前
Couldn’t sites just add a Webring-like Javascript code to the header or footer so people can flip around easily from site to site?
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surprisetalk超过 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;potato.cheap" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;potato.cheap</a>
prakhar897超过 1 年前
Can someone recommend some cool neocities sites?
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confd超过 1 年前
I want the banal web.