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Apple punishes non-iPhone users in iCloud password reset. Anti Trust?

8 点作者 srevenant超过 1 年前
Sorry for the rant, but I&#x27;m a bit beside myself.<p>I use MacOS for my desktop because I&#x27;m a developer, and I need something that works but is also unix (I ran Linux &amp; FreeBSD for decades prior). But I&#x27;m not an iPhone user.<p>On the latest MacOS refresh I discovered my &quot;iCloud&quot; account wouldn&#x27;t let me sign in anymore, and to reset the password I discovered one journey of pure friction hell, seemingly designed to punish people not using iPhones because they continually remind &quot;If you just had an apple device to verify this on it&#x27;d be easier.&quot;<p>The process to reset my password, started days ago, is still not finished, because they&#x27;ve added an arbitrary unknown unquantified &quot;wait a few days and maybe we&#x27;ll do something. Too bad you don&#x27;t have an iPhone&quot; wait period.<p>All I want to do is download an app from the apple store, and it won&#x27;t let me because I can&#x27;t sign into my account anymore!<p>(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻<p>The process:<p>1. I want to install an app (kindle reader, so I can test a newly generated ePub&#x2F;Mobi); the app redirects me to the apple store.<p>2. The apple store requires a sign in to iCloud, which doesn&#x27;t seem to work anymore for me.<p>3. Ok, reset, fine, then the roller coaster begins... first, give the email (typical, fine)<p>4. Next screen they want the phone number, which I give. Then it gets to a screen:<p>5. We&#x27;ve sent a code to &quot;your apple devices signed into iCloud&quot; (that would be this laptop, which isn&#x27;t signed in obviously, and no iPhone). This comes with the &quot;friendly&quot; nudge:<p>&gt; Using your Apple device is the easiest and safest way to reset your password...<p>Yeah, I AM using my one apple device (the mac).<p>6. Whatever, I select the &quot;Don&#x27;t have access to any of your Apple devices?&quot; This sends me to another screen &quot;Use another Apple device to reset your password.&quot; (wait, didn&#x27;t we just go over this?) — options:<p><pre><code> * Reset your password while signing in on a new device: You can reset your password from the sign-in screen on your new iPhone, iPad... (yeah, nope) * Use someone else&#x27;s iOS device: If you have a friend or family member with an iPhone, iPad... (nope, and OMG this is frighteningly insecure) * Use an iOS device at an Apple Store — not conveniently close, nope (almost an hour drive away). * Small text at the bottom: &quot;Can&#x27;t use any of these options?&quot; — I click this </code></pre> 7. Then it asks me for my phone AGAIN, and sends a code to this phone number. Plug that in — still std reset stuff, I suppose, if not redundant.<p>8. Then it does the same, but this time for my email — Okay, this is getting a bit pedantic, but sure, fine.<p>9. Then it sends me to a big middle finger screen that says:<p>&gt; Without an Apple device, you will have to wait to reset your password.<p>They give some BS about having to wait to see if any of your devices might sign in somewhere else (no, they won&#x27;t, since they don&#x27;t exist). And that it &quot;may be several days or more&quot; WTF? AND, they have a blunt statement:<p>&gt; Apple Support can&#x27;t help you shorten this time.<p>So now, three days later, I still haven&#x27;t heard back from them.<p>This is clearly friction introduced just to punish those not on apple systems. It doesn&#x27;t add any more security, and any of the options to reset are no better, if not WORSE — using my friends apple devices?!<p>Yeah, I know, just a rant, but seriously; when does this sort of thing fall within the Anti Trust law scopes? Probably not, but it&#x27;s really ... annoying.<p>Regardless, I think the US Anti Trust laws REALLY need to be updated to address modern tech companies. It&#x27;s fairly simple: If you run a tech platform, then you cannot also own content on that platform—must be split into separate entities, because there&#x27;s a built-in conflict of interest otherwise (this would address Google&#x2F;Android, Microsoft&#x2F;Windows, and Apple, among many others).

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stephenr超过 1 年前
AFAIK It&#x27;s nothing to do with &quot;punishing&quot; non-iPhone users, it&#x27;s a way of reducing account break ins. Signing in from a physical apple device gives them more information about the sign in itself - signing in from a browser gives them nothing that&#x27;s useful.<p>So if you can&#x27;t sign in to the App Store, and it can&#x27;t send a reset code to your Mac that means your Mac isn&#x27;t signed in to iCloud (the OS level sign in to iCloud services, not the App Store sign in with an Apple ID) - so why couldn&#x27;t you just do the &quot;reset on sign in&quot; in step 6, on your Mac?
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smoldesu超过 1 年前
&gt; but seriously; when does this sort of thing fall within the Anti Trust law scopes?<p>Antitrust law ends up being pretty subjective, and more relies on demonstrated market harm and remediation than specific abuses. This sort of behavior is frustrating, but probably doesn&#x27;t fall under the purview of antitrust concern. Maybe give Apple a friendly email suggesting that you&#x27;ll reach out to the Better Business Bureau next, and see how fast the customer service rep calls you back. Just a thought.
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