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Xreal's new AR glasses are aimed at the Apple Vision Pro

59 点作者 dragonbonheur超过 1 年前

16 条评论

ajdude超过 1 年前
I bought the xreal air one last year. Just looks like a pair of sunglasses, plugs into my MacBook Air via USB-C, and Projects three 1080 P monitors in my field of vision. I set my laptop up at a café, black out my macbook&#x27;s screen, and it works pretty well. Been doing this almost every day for months.<p>They also have a device that let you cast to the glasses wirelessly so I can go for a walk and have a little YouTube video in the bottom right corner of my field of view (think of those old picture in picture TVs)
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KaiserPro超过 1 年前
It will be interesting to see what the displays are like.<p>AR is _very_ hard for a number of reasons:<p>1) the screens are really difficult to get right: too bright and you have no battery&#x2F;burn your face, too dim and you&#x27;ve got really effective sunglasses<p>2) if you don&#x27;t have local dimming (ie being able to take away light rather than emit it) then everything looks shit<p>3) input is super hard. No keboard, no mice, no touch screen. Sure you have hand tracking, but without third party sensors, you have to have your hands in view to track them. This means gorrila arms or just plain fucking frustration.<p>4) without a second CPU&#x2F;GPU battery box, you have no compute power. Glasses only have about enough space for 2 watt hours of battery.<p>5) good 6dof tracking is compute expensive without custom silicon.
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threeseed超过 1 年前
Apple&#x27;s screens each have 5x more pixels per inch.<p>That is significant for a headset designed to be used for work.
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danielEM超过 1 年前
Owning previous generation may advice you - don&#x27;t buy it. And unsubscribe to anyone who recommends it for anything else then watching 1 hour movie.<p>My arguments against:<p>1. Lightweight - yes, but no. Comparing overall weight to like VR headsets - yes, it is freakin light. The significant difference however is that weight of VR headset is way way better distributed and this s*t sits right on 2 small spots on your nose. It is simply painful after 40min to an hour of use<p>2. 1080p - movies only, edges of screen blurred, I really don&#x27;t recommend it for any sort of work (the reason I bought these glasses in a first place). When you move your head text gets blurry and sometimes unreadable<p>3. There is no &quot;one size for all&quot; in this area. Wearing these glasses is inconvenient and painful to my ears as well. And read a lot of comments about that in the internet, so not alone here<p>4. There is no IPD regulation which to me causes further issues with observing image close to the edges<p>5. 699$ - I&#x27;m gonna start to laugh hard &#x2F; cry - not worth it, 43inch 4K screen cost 200$, wow effect not worth the money, not worth for working.
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SushiHippie超过 1 年前
I doubt that these glasses, with a form factor of sunglasses, are meant to compete with the vision pro, which is basically a computer in the formfactor of a diving mask.<p>But it does look like a cool, maybe even useful, gadget nonetheless.
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hn_throwaway_99超过 1 年前
Perhaps I lack imagination, but for so many of these AR&#x2F;VR glasses I just don&#x27;t understand who the target market is besides (a) gamers and (b) niche commercial applications. To be clear, I think those 2 markets are big enough to support building some great products (I&#x27;ve played some games on the Quest and loved them), but all of these companies (especially Meta) seem to have the belief that most of us will be wearing these for a large portion of the day, and I just don&#x27;t buy it. If anything, I want <i>less</i> distraction and notifications from my devices.
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tracerbulletx超过 1 年前
Given the product category and the range of trade offs different VR&#x2F;AR products make, it&#x27;s a huge stretch to say they&#x27;re competing with Apple Vision Pro. They&#x27;re competing with some of the other light weight lower cost PCVR products maybe. I can&#x27;t imagine saying it&#x27;s &quot;aimed&quot; at the Vision Pro.
dchuk超过 1 年前
I have two use cases for something like these, that are both very first world problem-y I fully admit:<p>1) wearing in bed, with the lights off while my wife sleeps, to use my MacBook Pro as if I was at a desk with multiple big monitors in front of me<p>2) on an airplane, usually in the extra 6” of legroom BS seats, where I’d like to either do the same computing with multiple large fake monitors, or to watch a show or movie on something better than an iPad sized screen.<p>Anyone do either or both of these things? How does the AR work with a short depth of field (like the back of the seat of an airplane right in front of me”)?<p>Are these worth it? I love the form factor and concept
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TrueGeek超过 1 年前
This isn&#x27;t a bad price point for a set of glasses that allows for shared spatial anchors. It is disappointing that they don&#x27;t provide SDK access to the front cameras. If they are truly targeting the business market they need to go after the customer service industry, one of HoloLen&#x27;s biggest niches.<p>Years ago, with their original dev kit, they had a set of glasses that offered an SDK with video access, spatial anchors, all kinds of stuff. I don&#x27;t know why they just didn&#x27;t continue selling that.
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asylteltine超过 1 年前
I want something I can wear on a flight and forget about my environment. I want to block out light entirely. Seems like Vision Pro is the best option for this. I’m hoping Apple will surprise us and steam vr gaming will be possible…
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aussieguy1234超过 1 年前
Here&#x27;s a potential interesting use case.<p>A star trek hologram style AI assistant, visible through the AR glasses and powered by an LLM.<p>It could probably be done with Quest 3 passthru, but that would be impractical to wear around everywhere.
mentos超过 1 年前
Bigger question I have is if they pioneer a new device category aren’t they just doing free research for Apple who can fast follow with their trillion dollar product manufacturing and marketing machine?
wkat4242超过 1 年前
Hmm Apple didn&#x27;t go for bird bath optics for a reason. It&#x27;s just not there yet in terms of active display area and it can&#x27;t display black.<p>But I&#x27;m looking forward to the reviews.
hhh超过 1 年前
&gt; aimed at the Apple Vision Pro<p>&gt; $699<p>No they&#x27;re not.
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sigmar超过 1 年前
Are there any physical stores where one can demo Xreal products?
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maxdo超过 1 年前
This is a classical West vs Asian.<p>This glasses case is a very good example. Apple is building a super duper expensive ego-driven project no one will ever buy at this price.<p>The Western world is trying hard to deliver something colossal and giant and sometimes even remarkable. It is driven by ego-centric: &quot;I&#x27;m so smart, my product needs to be the best of the best, and I&#x27;ll be talking to my grandkids about this product&quot;. With something like iPhone, it works.<p>The China-style approach is the classical bottom-up approach. I&#x27;ll build something I can sell today. I&#x27;m not afraid to go with sub par product if people will buy it. I will mobilize my group because otherwise, we will not survive. I will sell it a lot. I will iterate a lot. As a result, I will make lots of money and become famous. The outcome is the same, but look at that. China has so many companies now in any area where it competes. And that combines with the government pushing from the top very long term 10 years+ initiatives. Solar, EVs, nuclear, Air industry, and Education in general.<p>This pattern is so deep in the culture. You can even see it with the military. And it&#x27;s evident that the root cause of the problem is the lack of a healthy environment for manufacturing.<p>Just look at trade wars between China and the West. Microchips aside, what is the subject of war? The US ban pork exports in response to Huawei. Europe is trading French alcohol export quotas for EV imports.<p>This is extremely sad. The impact of the Western world&#x27;s de-industrialization is huge. The current war in Ukraine emphasizes the Western incapability to produce almost anything in volume. Or with any quality. The few items still good due to 20-30 investments are just a delusion of previous capabilities.
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