Apple Vision Pro available in the U.S. on February 2

I&#x27;m not very excited about the product itself, but if you are at all interested in spatial computing, it&#x27;s worth reading through Apple&#x27;s design and developer resources:<p>Designing for visionOS - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;design&#x2F;human-interface-guidelines&#x2F;designing-for-visionos&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;design&#x2F;human-interface-guideline...</a><p>Inputs: Eyes - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;design&#x2F;human-interface-guidelines&#x2F;eyes" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;design&#x2F;human-interface-guideline...</a><p>Principles of spatial design - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;play&#x2F;wwdc2023&#x2F;10072&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;play&#x2F;wwdc2023&#x2F;10072&#x2F;</a><p>Create accessible spatial experiences - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;play&#x2F;wwdc2023&#x2F;10034&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;play&#x2F;wwdc2023&#x2F;10034&#x2F;</a><p>While I don&#x27;t think there will be a mass adoption by people willing to put on goggles throughout the day, it&#x27;s clear that a lot of Apple&#x27;s ecosystem is being directed toward environmental and situational computing, and the SDK backs that up. Using gaze detection to focus on more than one device in a room, surfacing certain interactions in specific rooms, and low-lag screen mirroring from devices are all pretty high-cost investments that are likely to find uses in other products. I look forward to what kinds of &quot;continuity&quot; type features this tech introduces.

I know a lot of people are rightfully concerned with the viability of this product, but I&#x27;m unbelievably excited! Definitely going to be pre-ordering one and picking it up on release day if I can!<p>I&#x27;m sure it won&#x27;t be perfect or anything, but I&#x27;m mostly just stoked about the possibilities I see with this thing.

&gt;With Mac Virtual Display, users can even bring the powerful capabilities of their Mac into Vision Pro, creating an enormous, private, and portable 4K display, ideal for pro workflows<p>this to me would be the more immediate selling point(compared to more consumer type stuff), if this is good enough to replace external monitors so I can essentially have my ideal setup wherever I want. Companies could offer these as a return to office incentive, in theory they would cut back on a lot of the productivity complaints of open office compared to home office.

Has anyone seen a negative review from someone that has had a chance to try it a few times? All of the reviews I have seen have been pretty phenomenal. That is one of the reasons that I am looking to give it a try. If the UI and screen quality is so fantastic, it will be a great virtual screen for productivity and entertainment.

When the Apple Lisa debuted in 1983 it cost $9,995 (equivalent to $29,400 in 2022). The Lisa wasn’t a success but the personal computer was - I think there are some parallels to draw here

The thing I&#x27;m most excited about here is Sony&#x27;s microled display. If this product is successful it could jump-start the micorled supply chain for mass production. Microled would be great for smartphones not just for definition but also for battery life.<p>Edit: its micro-Oled&#x2F;OLEDoS not micro-led. Not sure what the battery performance is like.

While it is incredibly unlikely I will get a version one of this product without some major feature being announced.<p>I am excited for this to come out, and to have a company that won&#x27;t just abandon it actually try their hand at this. I stand by my opinion that if anyone can manage to make a device like this mainstream, it will be Apple. They have the money and the patience to do it.<p>Now &quot;If&quot; that will happen is still up in the air, but given how many other products have just disappeared after a single less than successful product I have high hopes.<p>Especially given all of the groundwork they have already been putting into place for this on iPhones for years with their AR kit.<p>That being said for me the single biggest thing I need to see improved to consider this is how it works with a Mac. This will likely be a more closed platform meaning I can&#x27;t use it for coding, but if I can hook up my Mac and do more than just a virtual display and actually control the windows independently, it will likely be a very quick purchase for me. Considering how much my monitors right now cost, this price isn&#x27;t that insane. But the idea of having a truly portable Mac work station would be incredibly invaluable.<p>Edit: I also stand by my opinion that Apple likely knows this version will not be a success and they already know it&#x27;s going to take a few versions to hit mainstream. I feel like this is emphasized by the &quot;Pro&quot; name being added giving them room for a non pro version later.

It is amazing how the hype for this went off a cliff, especially as the LLM stuff went into orbit.<p>There is a large contingent that understandably want a new iPhone type success, along with new App Store level opportunities, but like with the VR wave I suspect they will be disappointed by this one. The computing industry appears to have run out of obvious things to do with what it has developed.

I want this to be successful, but even as an iOS &#x2F; macOS dev, I haven&#x27;t seen enough really strong differentiation in Apple&#x27;s dev offering so far that would make it so that someone would absolutely want to use VR for a non-gaming app compared to an app on iOS.<p>There&#x27;s some pretty great innovations there like how Spaces and gestures work, but they&#x27;re more incremental improvements rather than anything that would really get the general public very willing to adopt AR&#x2F;VR for daily use outside of games.

Biggest question for me is how it feels on my face. If it makes airplane travel more fun for cross country flights, that alone is worth the cost to me.

There&#x27;s something weird going on with the ranking of this post on HN. How does a post created 2 hours ago with 225 points and 256 comments reach rank 74?

Came looking for new comments on this post, and couldn&#x27;t find it.<p>Any reason this dropped from front page with 232 points and 271 comments in 2 hours to page 3?

This product is the first step to the real future of tech. Just like the iPhone took years to catch on (similarly to Vision Pro, the big problem was price), this product&#x27;s successors will be the market leaders for all tech in 5 years (maybe longer, but I think 5 years is fair).

Two features that are really clever from a product perspective:<p>1. Using the spatial cameras&#x2F;features to scan your own face. I&#x27;m surprised Quest 3 doesn&#x27;t do this... As soon as I saw the concept, I thought, &quot;DUH! So smart it&#x27;s obvious in hindsight!&quot;<p>2. EyeSight, to enable people to still &quot;see&quot; your face when you wear the device. Very cool... As a Quest 3 user in mixed reality, I think I freak my family out when I walk around and talk to them.<p>Really neat!

Well, I&#x27;m certainly going to go into an Apple Store and see if I can test one out. I&#x27;m really excited about the potential for productivity focused VR and while this isn&#x27;t that yet, hopefully it&#x27;ll get there. In the meantime I&#x27;ve got my SimulaVR pre-ordered.

While I don&#x27;t plan to purchase one, I do feel a desire to buy an iPhone 15 Pro just so I can start capturing spatial video just in case this DOES succeed. I won&#x27;t purchase one, because I&#x27;m always a few generations of iPhones behind, but the desire is there.

The Vision Pro might be an impressive hardware on its own. Yet, I suspect it might come with certain limitations, such as requiring a Mac or iOS devices for full functionality. This is a significant reason why I, personally, would not consider the Vision Pro, even if it were offered at half its original price.

&gt;With Mac Virtual Display, users can even bring the powerful capabilities of their Mac into Vision Pro, creating an enormous, private, and portable 4K display, ideal for pro workflows<p>I think if Apple allows people to run an instance of MacOS on these devices like a VM (i.e. without the need to purchase a Mac, it looks like the CPU is M2 on these devices) that would be the killer feature. This will make the price more reasonable for people who are considering renewing their Macs.<p>I’d also want to be able to see the image on these devices live remotely e.g. on an iPad or TV similar to Quest 3.

I might buy one to put it in the drawer with all the other failed VR headsets I have.

Major kudos to Tim and the gang for making good on their Q1 &#x27;24 promise.<p>Looking forward to picking one of these up on eBay after the first wave of preorders gets bored.

To be honest I am incredibly disappointed that most of the app mockups I have seen from developers are just 2D windows floating in a 3D space with traditional simple point and click ux. I know that it&#x27;s only possible to do so much in a simulator, and we&#x27;ll have to wait to see what devs can really do with the tech, but if this is all we get I think this product is DOA.

I was an early adopter with the original PlayStation VR. The screen door effect was an issue but the biggest one is that I couldn’t last more than 30 minutes before getting nauseous. Granted I get seasick and likely susceptible more than most but I really hope Apple have solved it for people like me. Either way Im pre-ordering as well.

I have a really bad prescription (something like -12.5, -13), and I&#x27;ve had multiple pairs of glasses before. Changing from one pair to another gives me a headache. How am I going to use this device?

I wonder how easy &#x2F; hard and fast it will be to port over quest applications to the Vision Pro. Also wonder how hackable it will be. I&#x27;m guessing if it&#x27;s anything like the iPhone &#x2F; iPad it won&#x27;t really be.

Most interesting to me is that they’re sticking to the M2. There was a lot of speculation they’d stealth upgrade to M3, since that is now available.

A test I would like someone who gets Apple Vision Pro to do is if they can catch a ball (repeat a few times) while wearing it.<p>Brain already anticipates the 10-20ms lag from light hitting retina to visual cortex processing, but if the glasses introduce more 10s of ms of lag, it&#x27;s going to give headaches to most people.<p>Human brains have been wired to throw up if they notice the senses are woozy. (Survival instinct incase human has ingested some poison).

I’m more curious about the mass market version of this.<p>The content consumption device version could be very popular.

Will these be compatible with AirPods Max? I can’t wear Pro due to an ear injury but love Max.

Looks like they added a &quot;Dual Loop Band&quot;, aka a top strap, as well.

ill have it on day 1, let me know what you want to be tried and ill report back

if it can handle my 75 IPD, i&#x27;m in for two<p>(else I may need two...)

Is it just me misremembering, or is the light seal (last picture carousel on the website) a lot larger than when they originally presented it last year?<p>It looks like it will stick out to the front a lot. They seem to &quot;hide&quot; this fact by having nearly all pictures at a 90 degrees angle from the face.

I think the biggest innovation with this is Apple is giving their competitors the ability to start charging stupidly outrages prices for AR&#x2F;VR.<p>I&#x27;m not even being sarcastic. Just wait.

Huh. After a tumultuous 2023, I&#x27;d totally forgotten about this. Feels like _years_ ago.

The main issue I have with the Vision Pro is that Apple learned with the iPad what to do and what not to do when it comes to their customers, chiefly to have an app store that you could not install software outside of. Had the Mac been invented today, it surely would follow the same model, and the Vision Pro is very likely to be following such a model.<p>If I can&#x27;t use it to have my own applications, whatever they might be, that I don&#x27;t want to put on the app store, like emulators, virtual desktops, or hell, even code editors, then what&#x27;s the point (for consumers like me)?<p>Do you know how Apple wants you to run a code editor on Vision Pro? That&#x27;s right, own a Mac and <i>literally stream</i> the video output to the Vision Pro, even though they literally contain the same Apple Silicon hardware (same as the iPad). How insane is that? I hope open competitors pop up where I can just run Windows or Linux (or even Android at this point) and install whatever apps I want.<p>Sidenote, but imagine in 20 years when everyone&#x27;s wearing miniaturized versions of AR&#x2F;VR glasses: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;166807261" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;166807261</a>

I do hope this is successful. The cult-like behavior that Apple inspires may be the big push needed to help VR become adopted by the general public. If it fails, then I&#x27;d be pessimistic that VR will have meaningful progression in the next decade.

With a minor press release and just 256GB storage, it seems like Apple is losing faith in this direction. Hope I&#x27;m wrong, underlying tech seems super cool.

Oh, this thing is still ongoing?

Dupe: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38911991">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38911991</a>

Everything is 2D, making it just a TV&#x2F;phone on your face. Although these other products were never released commercially, the google glasses and microsoft&#x27;s hololens both envisioned adding 3D objects that interacted with your real space. In comparison, the Vision is very dull. I&#x27;m glad they are actually selling commercially though, so maybe we can soon see these features that AR allows, from them or competitors.