Bing Gained Less Than 1% Market Share Since Adding Bing Chat

My parents don&#x27;t even know about chatgpt, the current gen of ai, &amp;c. and they&#x27;re not even retired yet. It&#x27;s a bubble, most peeople don&#x27;t know about it and most of the people who know about it heard of it through TV&#x2F;Web news with &quot;AI will replace your job in 6 months&quot; kind of BS.<p>idk why bing would become super popular all of a sudden when a good 90% of the web users are tech illiterate. In most people&#x27;s head internet = google = chrome (and apple = safari because it just works)<p>Even in my tech literate circles the new flavor of AI is barely used

The “Google is going downhill” narrative only exists in the tech bubble. No one actually thinks this way in the real world.<p>Generative AI features can enhance search somewhat but aren’t a replacement. It’s not enough of a driver on its own to take market share from Google.

I tried it a few times. Was useless. I asked stuff like &quot;how to do X in Y&quot; and it proceeded to give some generic answer about what X was and then something like &quot;how to this in Y is specific to Y&quot;. Well duh.<p>I guess it can be interesting if you&#x27;re after some Wikipedia-like information, but in those cases I just go to Wikipedia or similar.<p>Clearly I lack imagination, so, how to use this in a useful way?

I asked Perplexity a question. Gave me an answer I accepted, then, thought, better just double check this with a Google search.<p>Nope Perplexity gave me a totally wrong answer.<p>I cannot tell you how upsetting a user experience this was to me. Thinking about canceling my Pro sub off of one wrong answer. Can’t trust it.

Microsoft&#x27;s mission is to &quot;empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more.&quot;<p>Maybe not having tons of distractions in the form of advertisements on the search homepage allows people to achieve more.

That Microsoft only made Bing Chat available from Edge shows that they still don&#x27;t understand the web. Everyone uses Chrome today, because they started using Google first, from whatever browser they were using.

If anything, Bing is pulling down ChatGPT. Whenever ChatGPT uses Bing to search for anything, I know the result is going to be crap. This is quite apparent when I ask a question related to published research findings. Bing does not compare with Google Scholar so ChatGPT is stuck with whatever garbage Bing returns. I found that Claude performs much better than ChatGPT in such cases (I pay for ChatGPT). Now whenever I see ChatGPT using Bing, I head to Claude without even waiting for ChatGPT to complete its response.

You need to use Edge to use it, right? That might be why.

I mostly use phind.com nowadays. Good search and good LLM.

Would like to see chart of Chrome&#x2F;Edge superimposed on Google&#x2F;Bing. Usage Rates.<p>I&#x27;m using Google less and less, but not using Bing. It is more like Google is not as useful anymore.<p>So would like to see a trend of usage rates, to see if Bing market share didn&#x27;t go up much, did overall Google usage go down?<p>Market share might have only gone up 1%, but did the overall market shrink.

That&#x27;s because the underlying search engine is really bad. And the LLM is only as good as it&#x27;s given context.

They can even add mind reading capabilities, until they aren&#x27;t the default search engine on the biggest browsers and mobile platforms in the world(FF, Chrome, Android, Safari, iOS), their market share ain&#x27;t growing significantly. Defaults matter most, and Windows-Edge isn&#x27;t big enough to drive this.

Tbh I find it annoying everytime it processes for answers when I look for results (I&#x27;m using Bing as default engine because I&#x27;m stuck on windows 11 and I want to keep it minimally bloated as possible relying only on Edge), waste of cpu resources on my browser I can lookup for answers on my own.

Following the link to the StatCounter[0] source, it seems bing chat isn&#x27;t taken into account in the first place, nor do they have an acurate view of the search activity.<p>To add to that since it&#x27;s an analytics plugin, it could also affect how those pages are ranked in Google and Bing in not so subtle ways.<p>All in all, that feels like very little facts to come up with any opinion on the subject matter.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gs.statcounter.com&#x2F;faq#methodology" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gs.statcounter.com&#x2F;faq#methodology</a><p>&gt; Is bing chat included in search engine share?<p>&gt; We have no way of measuring the number of queries performed in bing chat. However, we also don&#x27;t measure the number of queries to regular search engines like bing or google either. Instead we track search engine referrals.

The problem is that i still have to open that bloated piece of garbage website to access it

It is not surprising. Default behavior is the king. It is not that easy to change default search on phones. Most of the traffic goes from there. Mobile is the king<p>This will eventually lead to Google downfall, as it may feel overconfident. This may result someday in a sudden shift, change at search.<p>I do not think that search engines have any future. It will be replaced by bots period. It would be dumb for Google to invest any money in normal search.<p>Normies will not want to google anything, or browse links, if computer will be able &quot;to tell&quot;, or produce answer instead of links. No further search is required. Search is already dead.

My big issue with AI powered search is I don&#x27;t really trust what it&#x27;s telling me in terms of news and more specific questions. Sometimes I&#x27;ll skim what the Bing&#x2F;Google generation has to say if it takes me longer than 8 seconds to find a relevant link, otherwise I don&#x27;t find it that enticing of a feature.<p>In terms of Bing Chat, easily the biggest appeal to me is it&#x27;s based on GPT-4 and includes features for creative&#x2F;professional writing. I think that alone is the biggest reason to use it over chatGPT 3.5.

There were about 3 months that I thought Bing Chat was an incredible feature that was added for free. Since then, it has been eclipsed by other free generative search like phind.com which are more functional and free.<p>I think the Bing Chat answers have gotten too concise to be useful for anything technical. It&#x27;s good for quick retrieval of simple things, but I have abandoned it and ChatGPT for phind.com, at least for now.<p>Ask me in 3 months, I may have another system I favor. This space is evolving rapidly.

I use Bing way more than Google now, but I also love phind for more detailed coding answers. Claude is best for writing prose. I try bard sometimes too, it writes really good SEO and Etsy listings.<p>It&#x27;s still early days so finding the best solution with ai is still a WIP, since dalle3 came out I&#x27;ve used Bing chat way more.<p>image creator gives you 15 images per day, Bing chat does a better job with images by reiterated prompts with adjustments and gives near unlimited uses if using the chat interface.

Despite Microsoft aggressive push (via Edge)?! Surprised…

I think the path to generative AI search needs to be more subtle. Changing it wholesale to a chat interface just kind of confuses people.

I sometimes wonder what the outcome would have been if they didn&#x27;t curb &#x27;Sydney&#x27;.<p>In those first few weeks users reported spending hours engaged with the product and that they had some of the most interesting conversations in their life.<p>The interest and engagement quickly died down as the &#x27;errant&#x27; human-like behavior was tampered down.

What is the percentage of Google searches actually performed by humans? Maybe if we all switched there would still be so much bot traffic the market share would barely moved? Then again I haven&#x27;t started using it and I don&#x27;t know anyone who has so at least in my bubble it&#x27;s not surprising

I remember going to check it out, and them refusing to let me try it unless I used Edge and&#x2F;or a Bing account (don&#x27;t remember exactly and don&#x27;t care). And that&#x27;s how they blew their one shot to get me and hordes of others to give a flying fuck about it.

Ai search is unrealiable and of low quality. It limits discoverability and reduces exposure to novel content and it is no use to businesses. Sadly google is also experimenting with ai and as such their results are of lower quality, but still far better than bing.

I noticed chatgpt uses bing when searching now so expect the market share figure to go up

I used chatgpt to try to fix some issues with certbot, docker, and nodejs, I just gave up and went straight to forums, etc... I found out what I was looking for by interacting and putting together the answer out of those interactions. Of course, chatGPT is not &quot;intelligent&quot; to comprehend but that&#x27;s how &quot;open&quot; AI and tech bros are selling it. I didn&#x27;t even flinch when Microsoft announced it was going to implement AI in its search engine. Habits are difficult to change.<p>I&#x27;m still using Search engines (Brave most of the time and google when I can&#x27;t find what I&#x27;m looking for), tech forums, StackOverflow (Still a tech gold mine), etc... and lastly chatgpt if I have time to write a really good prompt.<p>The bubble is still there, few are paying attention outside it, let alone using it to be &quot;rich&quot;. Heck, Crypto Bros are now selling courses on how to monetize chatGPT, and what&#x27;s worse, people are buying it! It&#x27;s the same cycle over and over again.<p>Yes, LLMs brought decades of R&amp;D to the forefront of society and put that piece of tech on people&#x27;s hands yet that doesn&#x27;t mean everyone will adopt it just because. Our phones are engineering marvels yet we use them for mundane things most of the time.

I use it daily and I enjoy using it. It&#x27;s been pretty helpful and I&#x27;ve gotten used to it, so much so that going to Google is just... not useful.

But does search traffic can be counted like that? I mean when people use chat they don&#x27;t use the search no?

Whenever I open up Bing Chat, I do so accidentally, and it makes me frustrated and want to use Google.

Bing chat and chatgpt are complementary to duckduckgo, not substitutes.

How can you determine whether market share add was due to adding the chat?

googles search was so much better than the competition for so long it would take a big drop in quality for people to get fed up and look elsewhere (en mass)

And my prediction, based on a pool of 3, is that this 1% will be gone a day later.<p>Have you tried co-pilot? It is the worst. My 3 year old gives more coherent answers and paints better images.

Gaining 1% of market share from a baseline of 2.4% would mean growing their share of the market by 41%

&quot;But but but journalists from The Verge told me it&#x27;s going to take over the world&quot; &#x2F;s<p>It&#x27;s a brand issue, people doesn&#x27;t associate Microsoft with great products, you see it with their gaming division as well, despite insane marketing, they fail to match Sony both in HW and services (Sony has like 3x more, both, console sales and service subscribers than MS)<p>We need less of both, Google and Microsoft both want to be in a monopoly position, which is bad