TE
科技回声
首页24小时热榜最新最佳问答展示工作
GitHubTwitter
首页

科技回声

基于 Next.js 构建的科技新闻平台,提供全球科技新闻和讨论内容。

GitHubTwitter

首页

首页最新最佳问答展示工作

资源链接

HackerNews API原版 HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 科技回声. 版权所有。

United Airlines CEO says the airline will consider alternatives to Boeing

207 点作者 MaximilianEmel超过 1 年前

34 条评论

eitally超过 1 年前
Actions have consequences. Boeing decided they wanted to focus on maximizing profits rather than allowing organic growth to follow on continued high quality engineering and services. In regulated industries, especially where safety is of utmost importance, this is exceptionally risky. They F&#x27;d around and found out, and imho the only solution is leadership and strategy changes to shrink their business and refocus on becoming an engineering-led firm cranking out superior products &amp; services.<p>If we&#x27;re being honest, I think the same is true of Google&#x2F;Alphabet.
评论 #39107170 未加载
评论 #39107039 未加载
评论 #39108449 未加载
评论 #39108721 未加载
评论 #39106863 未加载
评论 #39110637 未加载
评论 #39109008 未加载
评论 #39107486 未加载
评论 #39113071 未加载
评论 #39108187 未加载
评论 #39108031 未加载
adrr超过 1 年前
Boeing should move the its HQ back to Washington state. They need to show the public that things are going to change and it starts with the executive team being next to the engineers. Microsoft had the same problem when Balmer was in charge, focus around sales and not engineering.
评论 #39107392 未加载
评论 #39107282 未加载
评论 #39107105 未加载
评论 #39107168 未加载
SirensOfTitan超过 1 年前
At this point, it’s quite pertinent how many corners Boeing has cut over and over again—the company’s culture and management is obviously poisonous.<p>I’m probably a minority of folks, but at this point I’m flying on airlines with the fewest Boeing Max generation planes in their fleet. I also don’t really trust the FAA to properly regulate Boeing after years of a close relationship—the recent groundings are the bare minimum.
评论 #39106961 未加载
评论 #39107272 未加载
评论 #39106927 未加载
评论 #39107116 未加载
评论 #39107078 未加载
评论 #39107132 未加载
JCM9超过 1 年前
This whole fiasco represents a leadership f$&amp;* up of existential scale. A lot of this started when Boeing moved its HQ away from a core production hub. Leaders tucked way in offices make a lot worse decisions than leaders close to the literal nuts and bolts of a company.<p>Boeing’s reputation was on the quality of its engineering and production. “If it ain’t Boeing I ain’t going” was a real phrase. The current Boeing leadership has turned the company’s image of quality into the punchline of bad jokes. The only viable fix is a serious reset and sacking of most of the senior ranks to bring leadership back that understands the difference between short term profit and long term gain. This has all been sad to watch, but the flying public deserves better.
评论 #39108189 未加载
JCM9超过 1 年前
Also for historical context, United traces its name back to Boeing itself. “United Air and Transport Corporation” was a company that came out of operations founded by Mr Boeing. Thus for anyone that knows their aviation industry history, United saying they’ve lost faith in Boeing airplanes is a big ouch.
评论 #39108043 未加载
anotherhue超过 1 年前
DAMAGE CONTROL means protect the stock price, not the passengers.<p>Contrast &quot;CEO says: Every plane is being completely inspected, every nut and bolt and nothing is more important to United than passenger safety and confidence.&quot;
评论 #39107157 未加载
gr1zzlybe4r超过 1 年前
The airline that stands to lose the most with the downfall of Boeing is actually Southwest - whose fleet is entirely composed of 737s. Not MAX&#x27;s yet, but that was at least the plan before more of these problems were exposed. I can&#x27;t imagine how nervous the C-suite at Southwest is feeling.<p>Also - I wonder if Boeing even has the capability to build a new commercial airliner from scratch. The 787 was insanely expensive and had its own problems (remember the burning batteries?).
评论 #39108966 未加载
fred_is_fred超过 1 年前
A better question is what will Southwest Airlines do? They exclusively run 737s as I understand it and they effectively have no choice here to beta test Boeing&#x27;s garbage.<p>I think United CEO&#x27;s comment is at best a renegotiation attempt.
评论 #39107162 未加载
jeroen79超过 1 年前
Boeing should of just created a new plane with all the required development&#x2F;testing instead of trying to take the MAX shortcut.
评论 #39107948 未加载
paxys超过 1 年前
&gt; alternatives to Boeing<p>So, Airbus?
评论 #39107053 未加载
评论 #39121471 未加载
评论 #39107035 未加载
评论 #39107094 未加载
observer987超过 1 年前
I&#x27;m really disgusted at what&#x27;s happened at Boeing over the years to lead to this situation. But it&#x27;s systemic in the boardrooms across the country that profits come before anything else.<p>In a more ideal world, the people in management responsible for this mess would be brought up on criminal charges and forced to disgorge their performance-based pay that was based on fraudulent practices that harmed passengers, the workers of the company, and the economic growth of the USA. But, I&#x27;m afraid the best we can hope for is civil lawsuits brought by shareholders that will settle for a fraction of the economic damage wrought.<p>Undoubtably the FAA will be increasing its scrutiny of the company. But that will probably fall by the wayside if the Republican Party regains control of the government. The decrepit management team will probably pursue a sale of the assets at fire sale prices so that they can prop up their stock price and retire to a golf courses in &quot;anonymity&quot;.
lainga超过 1 年前
&quot;Kirby wasn’t specific about what planes the airline could acquire instead of the Max 10, but he noted that there is only one other global manufacturer of such large planes — Boeing’s European rival Airbus.&quot;<p>Is it just me or is every player in the <i>dramatis personae</i> dancing around this and&#x2F;or burying the lede? If they were ordering regional jets, sure, you could buy Embraer or Bombardier, I guess. But as it stands it&#x27;s like everyone&#x27;s saying &quot;we&#x27;re considering alternatives to turning left&quot;
评论 #39106872 未加载
评论 #39106890 未加载
评论 #39106876 未加载
评论 #39108138 未加载
评论 #39107402 未加载
评论 #39106844 未加载
wolverine876超过 1 年前
There&#x27;s a dogma that regulation is de facto inefficient and bad generally, and I think it&#x27;s almost universally accepted that that&#x27;s the case for the self-interest of businesses. But like any dogma, any prejudice, it&#x27;s wrong:<p>Businesses have self-interest; it&#x27;s overwhelming and they can&#x27;t escape it and its biases (though they can and should moderate it, and some businesses do that much better than others). Regulation provides an independent, expert power structure with great value where self-interest, or multiple self-interests, fail. It allows competitors to coordinate; to act with enlightened self-interest and (gasp) in the public interest - lawlessness is bad for business.<p>For example, in financial markets, unregulated self-interest leads to mountains of fraud, and a place where nobody wants to invest - that hurts everyone. A safe, fair marketplace attracts everyone.<p>For airplane manufacturers, self-interest drives manufacturers to cut corners. If you&#x27;ve ever advocated against cutting corners because of an over-the-horizon, non-specific risk (meaning, the consequences won&#x27;t be tomorrow, and we can&#x27;t say exactly what and when they will be), you know that you are violating social norms and can be very unpopular. But if you can say, &#x27;this violates FAA regulations&#x27;, then it&#x27;s a clear and specific risk.
评论 #39109109 未加载
throwaway9238超过 1 年前
Should&#x27;ve considered it sooner. Their problems didn&#x27;t start with the door plug fault -- &quot;Why is Boeing such a shitty corporation?&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;robertreich.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;why-is-boeing-such-a-shitty-corporation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;robertreich.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;why-is-boeing-such-a-shit...</a>
ramesh31超过 1 年前
&gt;And just when Boeing needed experienced employees the most, it suffered a brain drain. In late 2022 many Boeing engineers started heading for the door to lock in pension payouts (which could be hurt by rising interest rates) they had accumulated. When full airframe production returned after the pandemic, a lot of the talent didn’t.<p>One thing I worry about with complex products like aircraft in general, is what if we just forget how to do this stuff correctly? I mean the entire aviation industry was built in a single human lifetime. All of this was conceived and designed by our parents and grandparents. There&#x27;s really no guarantee or precedent whatsoever in human history for that kind of knowledge transfer to occur between generations. I&#x27;ve been plagued by this feeling my whole life, that our generation (millenials and below) simply might just not be up to the task of keeping things going. It feels like we&#x27;re starting to see those cracks.
detourdog超过 1 年前
I think that Boeing is less than half the problem. The US-FAA has sold the whole country down the river with the lack of oversight. How that happened is the problem. We expect Boeing to try to draw outside the lines. The FAA helping them do that is the problem.
评论 #39113132 未加载
zwieback超过 1 年前
Other than Airbus, are there any alternatives?
评论 #39106893 未加载
评论 #39106874 未加载
JCharante超过 1 年前
I think companies should be punished by the free market. Actions should have consequences. Yes, thousands of flights and millions of people travel on Boeing aircraft without problems, but that doesn&#x27;t mean you should continue to support companies who are careless when there&#x27;s an equally viable option available (given that Airbus is a competitor to Boeing, Airbus has an alternative for every type of plane in Boeing&#x27;s fleet)
Log_out_超过 1 年前
Boeings military buisness is in for a nosedive to. It&#x27;s in parts &quot;allies&quot; buying equipment as part of the package and another isolationist trumpel period will end that. Then there is the military, financed by lending and spending. And it doesn&#x27;t lend from the American people, it lends from the we which does its trade in dollar and which will vote with its feet if the trade route protection falters and fails.
seatac76超过 1 年前
I wonder how this will play out in practice. Their reasons to ditch Boeing are valid. Airbus though has a decade long backlog for the A32x series. How are they going to get that many in time?
评论 #39108976 未加载
xivzgrev超过 1 年前
I’m happy to see this. Very disappointed that Boeing has let itself corrode to this stage so the consequences are starting to hit
xenadu02超过 1 年前
I wonder if Lockheed couldn&#x27;t take a run at passenger airliners again. It would be nice to have a backup plan.
erikig超过 1 年前
The headline is almost redundant. In a duopoly, every substantial client is always forced to consider the alternative.
评论 #39128208 未加载
prng2021超过 1 年前
There’s no “alternatives”. There’s “the alternative”, Airbus.
ApolloFortyNine超过 1 年前
I mean it would be dumb not too, there was no reason to say anything else. Since the company actively runs Airbus planes already it&#x27;s not even as if there&#x27;s a barrier to entry there.<p>Even if they had no intention of cancelling any ongoing orders, it&#x27;d be ridiculous to not strive for some compensation with this current Boeing hostile climate.
cft超过 1 年前
&quot;Shares of The Boeing Co. fell less than 1%.&quot;<p>They are too big to fail. So they will fail together with the entire state.<p>4 domestic aircraft manufacturers of the 1960s (Lockheed, Douglas, Convair, Boeing) is now one.
评论 #39107068 未加载
评论 #39107142 未加载
intunderflow超过 1 年前
US government tariffs on Airbus in 3, 2, 1...
tdiff超过 1 年前
Looks like a chance for MC-21
otikik超过 1 年前
&quot;We want a discount&quot;
sandworm101超过 1 年前
Lol. Alternatives. UA isnt going to buy chinese aircraft. It is boeing or airbus, the one and only alternative at this scale.
i_am_jl超过 1 年前
&quot;alternatives to Boeing&quot; is a very strange typo for &quot;Airbus&quot;.
monkeynotes超过 1 年前
I didn&#x27;t mind flying on a 737 Max once they figured out the MCAS stuff, but now I see it&#x27;s an institutional problem I don&#x27;t know if I could accept a ticket on a Boeing aircraft manufactured in the past ~10 years.
dboreham超过 1 年前
This kind of enshitification is ultimately an emergent property of public market ownership. You can see the result of a controlled experiment by eating at McDonalds then at In-n-out Burger (one is public, the other private). I&#x27;d include PE under the public ownership category, despite the name.
评论 #39108858 未加载
评论 #39107360 未加载
balozi超过 1 年前
Try as I might, I cannot see any upside for an airline chief executive to make this kind of statements publicly. Sometimes a CEO needs to know that they don&#x27;t have to publicly announce their internal deliberations. Well...unless he was drunk when interviewed, or wanted to divert attention from bad financial results, or both.
评论 #39109867 未加载
评论 #39107553 未加载