Well, if Tesla announces it for mid-2025, they may start producing it in real numbers by 2030, but most probably never.<p>At this point, their timelines and announcements are a complete joke. And I'm not even talking about the faked FSD video from 2016 - for which Dan O'Dowd posted here a quite ironic comment: <a href="https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1749933238985110000#m" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1749933238985110000#...</a><p>How is the Tesla Semi ramp going (released >1 ago, still absolutely no leaks about it specs) ?<p>Cybertruck (released ~2 months ago, with a supposedly 2 million reservations, but people that were estimated 100k in the queue already got some) ?<p>Tesla Dojo Cluster (which was supposed to be top 5 'in the entire World') by now ?<p>I hate to be the pessimist, but at this point, it's very clear that they are intentionally lying.