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My husband went through the Amazon Pivot process. It was crushing

59 点作者 intunderflow超过 1 年前

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John23832超过 1 年前
A majority of big tech employment is bait and switch.<p>You&#x27;re leetcoded to death for a job that doesn&#x27;t require leetcode skills. You&#x27;re implored to follow some lofty mission statement, that in reality means nothing. Your first day you&#x27;re love bombed into oblivion, only to be coldly thrown out of the door your last day. You&#x27;re put on a &quot;performance improvement plan&quot; with no avenue to improve. Every company&#x2F;CEO speaks in positive euphemisms while actively stabbing every thing and one in the back.<p>The best advice that can be given is NOT to associate personality or self-worth with employment at these companies. Unless you win the lotto, it is fleeting.
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digitallis42超过 1 年前
Most PIPs are designed to provide a documented reason for letting someone go that can be used to contest any possible lawsuits. They are not necessarily designed to help people. Some are, and some managers believe in them.
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silexia超过 1 年前
I am the founder and owner of a business with 270+ employees. I regularly give employees final warnings. The warning always is because of issues directly related to their job (not working their shift, failing at their regular duties somehow), not asking them to do more tasks beyond their job.<p>If this description of Amazon&#x27;s pivot process is accurate, then there is something very shady going on there. Probably just the bureaucracy terminating people who disagree with them and making sure they have legal cover for it. Lots of DEI programs pushed by Fortune 500 CEOs require doubling minority employee populations and also unless the company is doubling in size, require the termination of white people. They can&#x27;t legally say that, so they make up weird programs like this to get to that DEI goal.
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PerilousD超过 1 年前
Companies started this crap just after 9&#x2F;11. I guess I was a boomer IT guy and never saw the point of unions HOWEVER very early in my career I saw that the &quot;company loyalty&quot; mindset ONLY benefitted the company. This was BEFORE the pension reforms and when the company I worked for in NY decided to leave for Chicago they offered me (IT admin) all kinds of benefits to move and folks that had literally MONTHS left to meet their 10year pension were almost to a woman told &quot;goodbye&quot; too bad so sad, no pension for you. 10 years later with the PIVOT crap starting and folks I knew particularly, those at 40 or older getting the shaft I was no longer so anti-union. Im retired now but, there is strength in numbers OR sue them. I sued about 15 years ago. Ended up with TEN times the severance I was offered even after paying the attorney retainer fee (not cheap) but her communications started DIRECTLY with the firm&#x27;s C-Suite Managing Director Lawyer and NOT the HR drones. The head corporate lawyer was quick to make the pending suit &quot;go away&quot; since they knew they were in the wrong &quot;at will employment&quot; be damned. Join a union if possible and don&#x27;t take &quot;at will&quot; as anything get a lawyer and follow through with a suit if you have to.
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addicted超过 1 年前
I thought it was common knowledge that a formal “performance improvement” program is no such thing. I bet companies do have some who succeed in these programs but that’s almost certainly to cover the fact that the only reason these programs exist is to give the employee no chance at all to claim unfair termination.
pm90超过 1 年前
The essay comes off as somewhat naive. A lot of survival in corporate America is understanding what is left unsaid. The example of the boss asking for what the message should be when the person left is a pretty clear sign of where this person is headed, but they soldier on nonetheless.<p>It sounds like the person in question were a decent performer but had to be let go due to whatever reason. But instead of getting the subtext of the PIP they kept trying to soldier on… that’s just not how it works.
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miles超过 1 年前
Three other recent stories from BI on Amazon Pivot:<p><i>I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans</i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38471744">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38471744</a><p><i>A Former Amazon Worker Was Put a Performance Plan; Lost a Deposit on a House</i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37817021">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37817021</a><p><i>Amazon shut down a Slack channel where 2k employees talked about PIPs</i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37960846">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=37960846</a>
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maxverse超过 1 年前
Companies need to address the nauseating imbalance between what they do for recruitment and retention (nice-sounding company values getting drilled at every all-hands meeting, team building exercises, talking about how much they value their people) and the dystopian, liability-paranoid way they cut ties with people they lay off and fire. I understand that letting people go is a part of business. I&#x27;ve had to let underperforming employees go myself. But companies need to understand that they&#x27;re playing Operation on human lives here. Being laid off or fired, whether deserved or not, is traumatic. Companies should offer their employees the same kind of care and respect they (hopefully) treat their customers with and want to be treated with.<p>The standard answer is that &quot;your time with the company is a two way business contract; don&#x27;t treat is as anything other than that.&quot; But while companies no longer call it a &quot;family&quot;, they do everything in their power to make you feel like you belong when they need to retain you - and then, one day, your manager&#x27;s manager decides to change priorities, and your laptop is remotely terminated, to be sent in within 7 days. Sorry, pal, it&#x27;s just business. Then they wonder why &quot;mass resignation&quot; or job-hopping every 2 years is a thing.
486sx33超过 1 年前
It’s unfortunate but I hope everyone understands this was not about the employee it was about thinning a head count or slashing a labour budget in some spreadsheet on some executives computer. Everyone else plays along because they don’t want to be next.<p>Call a spade a spade and the employee sues, make it about their shortcomings and they usually disappear.<p>If you are ever in the situation where you are offered a PIP or a buy out, negotiate the Best buy out you can get right away , tell HR their first loss is their best loss, they want you gone and you’re willing to work with them, here are the terms. Letter of recommendation immediately given before you sign anything, 6 months severance, and $100k buy out. Negotiate from there.
kareiva超过 1 年前
The gut feeling is that the guy was working hard but not smart enough. You can achieve positive results with this amount of work hours, but the outcome might not be in line with the teamwork or expected quality.
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badrabbit超过 1 年前
This is why I am always impressed by a person in a position of power who is not a coward and acts honestly and tries to avoid unkindness and being unprofessional. Unfortunately, people like that don&#x27;t move up much.<p>Chances are, a middle manager made the decision on this guy and his manager was stuck with the task of getting rid of him.<p>If they act honestly and fire him, their corruption and incompetence would be seen and their harm to the organization must be addressed. As harsh as Amazon is, they can set high performance targets and fire anyone, anything short of that is a sign of managerial malice and incompetence.<p>I am seeing this &quot;culture&quot; all over. From return to office and layoffs to day to day stuff. Too many cowards in positions of power, with excuses for thier two faced dishonesty. They are afraid of communicating well because if they fail, they lose their position, that&#x27;s why they communicate indirectly and dishonestly.
hasty_pudding超过 1 年前
People with families should probably not work at a FAANG.<p>They have borderline inhuman performance requirements and the politics are absurd.<p>Even top-notch Engineers can get caught up into some political BS.<p>While the money is good it&#x27;s a very unstable place. So with the increased reward comes increased risk.<p>you would think smart people would create pleasant workplaces for themselves.
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snapetom超过 1 年前
&gt; In my opinion, this process is not designed to improve the employee.<p>Sorry, but no shit. The boss wanted her husband gone. Period, full stop.<p>Look, no matter how charismatic&#x2F;great&#x2F;competent you are, there&#x27;s always going to be someone that doesn&#x27;t like you. The article gives no history or indication about how long her husband had worked for his boss or their relationship prior. Maybe the boss is a psychopath, just came in and decided he didn&#x27;t like the husband and wanted him out. Maybe it&#x27;s a genuine personality conflict. Being put on a PIP is the way to do that.<p>Is it fair? Is it good for the company? Of course not, but this is Amazon we&#x27;re talking about. There are plenty of people lined up as replacements.<p>Soft skills matter. If you can&#x27;t please you&#x27;re boss, if you&#x27;re not aligned, you need to sense that and start looking for other options. Sometimes, though you&#x27;ll still get blindsided.
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