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Dijkstra's interview on Dutch TV (2000)

139 点作者 pncnmnp超过 1 年前

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rednab超过 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;mLEOZO1GwVc?t=735" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;mLEOZO1GwVc?t=735</a><p>The Dutch language quote as displayed: &quot;We mogen niet uit nonchalance fouten in een programma aanbrengen. Dat moeten we systematisch en met zorg doen.&quot;.<p>Feel free to run that through your favorite translator.<p>The subtitles: &quot;We should not introduce errors through sloppiness but systematically keep them out.&quot;<p>The translator missed a <i>very</i> dry and very Dijkstra joke.
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lp4vn超过 1 年前
After almost 10 years working in corporations and in the government, I can&#x27;t help but think that Dijkstra&#x27;s call for quality rings truer than ever. It&#x27;s appaling the amount of projects that get killed not only because they were poorly executed but also because they were completely useless in the first place.<p>In this day and age we live in a kind of stupor that we have to keep the wheel of economy spinning no matter what and that as long as someone is paying we have to keep sh*tting lines of code for perpetually late projects. It&#x27;s like we&#x27;re inefficient on purpose. Look at the shitshow that the SCRUM method is for instance. We are purposefully distancing software development from any kind of rigorous method, it&#x27;s a real tragedy.
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pncnmnp超过 1 年前
Hey everyone, I wrote this blog-post. I kinda wanna share another story about Dijkstra that I&#x27;ve always found interesting:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.utexas.edu&#x2F;users&#x2F;EWD&#x2F;memorial&#x2F;newsletterarticle.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.utexas.edu&#x2F;users&#x2F;EWD&#x2F;memorial&#x2F;newsletterartic...</a><p>&gt; The courses that Edsger taught regularly all had the title Capita Selecta (selected topics). Prior to his retirement in 1999, the offering alternated each semester between the graduate and undergraduate level. Taking Edsger’s course was an intimate experience and a unique learning opportunity. The class enrollment was limited to 20 or so students, which allowed a rewarding level of interaction between instructor and students. The main form of assessment in his course (in addition to the informal impressions he formed throughout the semester) was a two-hour oral examination, held either in his office or at his home. During this individual session, Professor Dijkstra would present the (usually nervous) student with a problem or two. The student’s task was to develop a satisfactory argument during the allotted time, writing the solution on the blackboard. Afterward, the student would generally leave the room with a warm glow of accomplishment thanks to Edsger’s gentle prodding and questioning during the session.<p>I was wondering if anyone on HN took his course and could share their experience?
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treprinum超过 1 年前
Essentially, only write a program when you finished it completely in your mind already. Good luck with that beyond some Leetcode-sized problems.
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sebstefan超过 1 年前
The way he talks is very like himself :&#x27;)<p>Alan Kay said it best<p>&quot;I don&#x27;t know how many of you have ever met Dijkstra, but you probably know that arrogance in computer science is measured in nano-Dijkstras.&quot;
pythonguython超过 1 年前
Writing complete and correct code takes a lot of engineering time and money. The aerospace industry does it and the price tag matches. Imagine how much innovation we would have missed out on if we demanded perfection from every product over the last 60 years
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Jtsummers超过 1 年前
&gt; The management didn&#x27;t want faultless programs because the company derived its stability from maintenance contracts.<p>The bane of my existence. Companies like these get a decade long contract with governments and large enterprises (typically outside the &quot;tech&quot; space) to maintain a system, and at the end it&#x27;s often worse than when they started the contract. Grifters, all of them.<p>The worst offenders are the defense contractors. They know they don&#x27;t have to work, sunk cost fallacy is strong in government contracting.
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mc32超过 1 年前
&gt;&quot;The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress.&quot;<p>He was complaining of the watering down of curricula in Netherlander unis...<p>He moved to TX in &#x27;84 due to the infantilization of students (by the Dutch). We now have some high school teachers who say they will not issue Ds and Fs and instead will give incompletes only... I&#x27;m afraid we have eclipsed the Dutch.
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vlowrian超过 1 年前
Dijkstra died of cancer in 2002, about 2 years after this recording.
o2l超过 1 年前
Thank you so much for this! I came across this interview a few days ago and loved it so much that I was going to transcribe it myself. &lt;3
noitanec超过 1 年前
&gt; Program testing can convincingly show the presence of bugs, but it hopelessly inadequate to show their absence.
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pieterr超过 1 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.utexas.edu&#x2F;users&#x2F;EWD&#x2F;video-audio&#x2F;NoorderlichtVideo.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.utexas.edu&#x2F;users&#x2F;EWD&#x2F;video-audio&#x2F;Noorderlicht...</a>
zubairq超过 1 年前
The more I read about Dijkstra the more interesting he gets!
morphle超过 1 年前
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esafak超过 1 年前
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