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Microsoft has EARNED my distrust

7 点作者 mhusby大约 13 年前

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randomdrake大约 13 年前
Alright, enough is enough.<p>I've had my own blood, sweat and tears thrown in to making things work for IE throughout the years. Developers need to grow a pair and understand that the only people who really give a rat's behind about whether you support IE are the folks who use IE. Your "stance" doesn't affect Chrome, Firefox or Safari users in any way. You're not cool for acquiescing to mediocrity, you're mediocre.<p>If you cannot, as a developer, figure out an intelligent way to let your users know of missing features, or figure out a good way to ensure your site works from browser to browser, that's your problem. It's not IE's problem. Quote all you want about how much it "costs" to test for a browser. Frankly, I think it's like anything else that requires practice and knowledge in the programming field. That is to say: the more you work with IE and the various eccentricities that come along with it, the better you get at identifying and skipping over them entirely.<p>Yes, Internet Explorer can be difficult. Yes, Internet Explorer is getting much better than it was. Whining about it hasn't worked the past five years and nothing magical is going to make Microsoft suddenly have an "aha!" moment that will make things better. If you are unable to recognize the improvements that are being made then you haven't been in the game long enough or you're just too cool for school to acknowledge them.<p>This whole high and mighty "if it doesn't work for me it's not good enough" thing is such a sign of the superiority complex some developers have for their product and themselves; it's sickening. No two browsers have ever been 100% equal to each other and I don't think that will happen any time soon.<p>Developing and programming things to work across different platforms has always and will always be a challenge. This is not unique to programming. Manufacturing, medicine and many other fields absolutely require ensuring their products work across a variety of platforms (or humans, or animals, and so on).<p>Please don't mistake me for thinking IE cannot be a pain in the butt to develop for. I know full well it can be a harrowing and heartbreaking process sometimes. Developing isn't easy. That's why we are who we are and why we do what we do; it's a challenge that we take head on because we're good enough to reach the summit. There's nothing awesome or cool about not being talented enough or not having the resources (which I find entirely arguable) to develop for a platform so much of the market uses.<p>&#60;/rant&#62;
nikcub大约 13 年前
oh please, "the distrust of the entire development community"<p>You don't speak on our behalf, and you are sending a "message" to Microsoft about 5 years too late.<p>If you have a real argument then put it together and communicate it properly, otherwise this is just a continuation of shallow tribalism that really shouldn't have a place here.
gouranga大约 13 年前
I'm getting rather fed up with this witch-hunt so I'm going to defend the witches...<p>Yes IE6, 7 and 8 were absolute bastards, but they've done good with IE9 and IE10 is looking even better.<p>They know what they've done wrong and are making amends.<p>5 years ago was the time for the witch hunt, not now.
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bunderbunder大约 13 年前
The market environment is characterized by myriad unnecessary and often equivalent products, all trying to struggle their way to success by way of generating popularity through people telling their friends about positive user experiences.<p>In an environment like that, wantonly deciding to rudely alienate 20% of your potential customer base simply because you've got a chip on your shoulder about the company that makes their web browser is a recipe for failure.
smackfu大约 13 年前
So business decisions based on grudges is good now?
victork2大约 13 年前
Oh... your distrust uh? Do you seriously hold grudges against companies when they release a good product after some bad releases? And it's not like you need to do anything if IE 9 is not good enough, just don't be an ass and block them.<p>I know some think it looks "cool" to appear tough and act like an internet super hero, but really it's counterproductive and this witch hunt is getting ridiculous.<p>Gosh, sometimes I wish the HN and tech crowd was a little more mature technology. Grow up a little bit and stop the knee jerk reactions to everything you see.
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schlomie大约 13 年前
IE9 and IE10 still have terrible things in them: try creating an audio tag with preload=none. They will happily display an _invisible_ audio player on the screen.<p>Every other browser understands this to mean, place a (visible!) audio widget on the screen, but don't preload anything.
K2h大约 13 年前
Article doesn't give one solid example.
cleverjake大约 13 年前
Isn't that what Rey was doing?