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Study: 61 UK firms tried a 4-day workweek and after a year, they still love it

424 点作者 giuliomagnifico超过 1 年前

31 条评论

jjcm超过 1 年前
There&#x27;s no doubt that there&#x27;s a benefit to the employee, but for corporations to adopt this there has to be a measurable benefit to the company as well.<p>I do think there is one clear benefit as measured in the article - employee retention. It&#x27;s an extremely strong incentive to stay with the current company, and domain knowledge gained over decades really is a competitive advantage if your employees commonly have it.<p>What remains to be seen though are if the efficiency gains are good enough to justify less hours. Are employees more productive? That&#x27;s the question that remains to be answered or objectively measured here. Less burnout and better mental health means higher quality work for sure, but is output as a whole better with a 4 day work week versus a 5 day work week? That&#x27;s what shareholders will care about more than anything else.
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giuliomagnifico超过 1 年前
&gt; They began it as a six-month experiment. But today, 54 of the companies still have the policy. Just over half have declared it permanent, according to researchers with the think tank Autonomy, who organized the trial along with the groups 4-Day Week Campaign and 4 Day Week Global.<p>PDF of the research: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;autonomy.work&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2024&#x2F;02&#x2F;making-it-stick_-1.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;autonomy.work&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2024&#x2F;02&#x2F;making-it-s...</a>
Jedd超过 1 年前
&gt; One important finding, researchers say, is that there is no one-size-fits-all recipe when it comes to the four-day workweek.<p>Didn&#x27;t we already know this is the case with a five-day workweek?<p>Five days is such an arbitrary situation, obtained only through a LOT of effort by a LOT of people to reduce that down from a &#x27;perfectly normal and reasonable&#x27; six-day workweek.<p>We&#x27;re persistently lumbered by the inertia of pervasive systems we inherited, and the assumption that what we have is what we should have.
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perfunctory超过 1 年前
I personally first tried 4-day workweek about 10 years ago and still love it. That was one of the best decisions I made in my life.<p>Especially in software industry, it&#x27;s not that hard to arrange I believe. Even easier if we do it collectively. And when more and more people do it and it becomes a norm, the income will just readjust and return to the current levels.<p>But even today, when it&#x27;s still not a norm, and I have a reduced income compared to my fulltime working peers, I still consider it a bargain. Extra free day is totally worth it. I am basically paying for some extra happiness.
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elawler24超过 1 年前
This is what Keynes predicted might happen - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;full&#x2F;10.1111&#x2F;ecca.12439#:~:text=Keynes" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;full&#x2F;10.1111&#x2F;ecca.12439#...</a><p>That article notes most people can&#x27;t make enough money from 15 hours of work to save up for retirement. I also wonder if &quot;leisure&quot; has to be redefined, since work and life blend so much online. What does 15 hours of work really mean in a knowledge work job?
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statquontrarian超过 1 年前
I&#x27;ve been doing a 20-hour 3 day work week (50% of total pay) for a few years now and I love it. I&#x27;m outperforming a full-time colleague in total output.<p>Edited to add that the 3 day work week totals 20 hours.
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bschne超过 1 年前
I have some gripes with this group and their publications:<p>- They don&#x27;t randomize pilots, so any effect you see is likely to be confounded<p>- In this publication, it appears there was ~50% attrition between the initial pilot and the follow-up study — again, a huge source of potential confounding<p>- As another example, in another publication, they showed a plot of GDP per capita against average working hours, and insinuated from the negative relationship that less working hours somehow made workers (causally) more productive, without even hinting at the obvious alternative explanation that people work less as they get more productive because they don&#x27;t have to work as much to maintain standard of living.<p>I like that things like this are being tried, but I wish the research conducted on it were more intellectually honest and less obviously geared towards pursuing an agenda. The level of analysis here is more like a company marketing whitepaper than anything bordering on scientific.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong, personally I think companies where it&#x27;s feasible should just define minimum presence where the business needs it and leave it to employees where and when to do the work within those constraints depending on preferences and their situation. I don&#x27;t have an axe to grind against working less (and in my circles it seems like many people are making this decision by reducing their workload to e.g. 80%, albeit at a corresponding salary cut). But the whole thing just seems a big disingenuous.
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ActionHank超过 1 年前
I can&#x27;t wait for companies to use this as a way to drive down pay
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lzmibes超过 1 年前
Employer and employee should be free to negotiate whatever arrangement is mutually agreeable. I don&#x27;t think there needs to be any more to it than that
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Xenoamorphous超过 1 年前
I think future generations will look back and find unfathomable that we spent the best part of 5 days a week (if not more) working. At least I hope so.
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pitahat超过 1 年前
I think the biggest thing we often miss when we talk about the 4-day work week is that most employees would not mind doing condensed hours i.e. longer hours everyday but then work fewer days. It doesn&#x27;t have to be straight cut to 32 hours etc
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zooq_ai超过 1 年前
This study is a perfect fit the HN crowd who won&#x27;t question the methodology and incentive systems because it fits their narrative.<p>Of course employee are going to report happy. What next? a study saying &quot;Employees love more money for the same work?&quot;
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denysonique超过 1 年前
Every industry is different. Having the same 5-day, 4-day, x-day or x-hour workweek across all industries doesn&#x27;t make any sense.<p>More diversity in this area could bring a worldwide increase of productivity, wellbeing and result in an economic boost.
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danielfoster超过 1 年前
I was excited about this until I read that companies had introduced efficiencies such as “monk mondays” to get more done in less time. Couldn’t a company do this, keep a five-day work week, and see an increase in productivity?
ysofunny超过 1 年前
I prefer a 6 hour workday 5 days a week<p>but I&#x27;ll take a 4 day workweek (I assume 8 hours a day)
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kkfx超过 1 年前
Unpopular opinion: 4-days workweeks is used as a scam to force people in the office instead of full-remote. That&#x27;s is.<p>Since <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;groups.csail.mit.edu&#x2F;mac&#x2F;users&#x2F;rauch&#x2F;worktime&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;groups.csail.mit.edu&#x2F;mac&#x2F;users&#x2F;rauch&#x2F;worktime&#x2F;</a> &quot;productivity&quot; in not a thing really interests companies, they are much more interesting in having an effective grip on their workers, with remote workers the sole grip is fair conditions and nice work environment. They do want to keep the geographical grip and various other small potatoes grip on workers. Here the popularity of shorter workweeks, of course &quot;if you go in the office&quot;, meaning if you live nearby.<p>I can work 6 days a week, no issue, but if the job can be done from remote it MUST BE done from remote.
booleandilemma超过 1 年前
Why wouldn&#x27;t they love it? They should try a 3-day workweek, they&#x27;ll probably love that even more.
pythonguython超过 1 年前
I work in contracting, so this could never work. At the end of the day, many Americans sell time. There’s no incentive for my organization to produce more in less time.
ChrisArchitect超过 1 年前
[dupe]<p>More discussion over here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39457728">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39457728</a>
nly超过 1 年前
Tech salaries aren&#x27;t good enough in the UK to make this feasible for most of us.
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m3kw9超过 1 年前
They love it because while everyone works 5 days they work 4. Once everyone has 4 they will be back to square one just like everyone is now (5 days a week). Humans are like that, they compare what others have to see if they have it better. Where do you think we got the term, grass is always greener on the other side?
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kypro超过 1 年前
And here I am sad that no one will let me work weekends in IT.
ThrowawayTestr超过 1 年前
I used to do 3 12 hour days and it was glorious.
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lamontcg超过 1 年前
Newsflash: most people working 40 hour weeks aren&#x27;t working the whole time and spend a lot of time surfing reddit and HN when they&#x27;re not yapping about sports or their weekends with coworkers.
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jkmcf超过 1 年前
I actually like working, minus the business&#x2F;management BS. Current $job is very good. Would love a 5h&#x2F;day expectation, though. I&#x27;d work 7pm to midnight and be more productive than 9-5.
renewiltord超过 1 年前
It&#x27;s the UK. No one works on Fridays anyway. Haha.
spoonjim超过 1 年前
4 day week is very stupid. You can only do a few hours of good programming a day and throwing away one of them is idiotic
heikkilevanto超过 1 年前
Union meeting 2124: &quot;Mr. President, do we really have to work <i>every</i> Wednesday?&quot;
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HermitX超过 1 年前
In the movie The Matrix, should those people trapped in the cultivation tanks be considered as having seven days of rest a week?
j45超过 1 年前
Working four 10 hour days doesn’t seem as much of a stretch compared to 8 hour days.
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brightball超过 1 年前
Counterpoint: When hiring people reasonably early out of school, they often just want the additional hours. I know of a business in my area that tried the 4 day work week and they ended up having to open on Fridays for half a day because people just wanted more hours (and money). Without it, the same people were just getting second jobs.
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