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The Achilles Trap: how the US fatally failed to read Saddam

30 点作者 curiousObject大约 1 年前

8 条评论

mjevans大约 1 年前
Offhand, weren&#x27;t there &#x27;expert witnesses&#x27; that reported what the government wanted to hear as well?<p>Edit: This might be what I&#x27;m remembering...<p>&quot;&quot;&quot; On 5 February 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell appeared before the UN to present evidence that Iraq was hiding unconventional weapons. However, despite warnings from the German Federal Intelligence Service and the British Secret Intelligence Service that the source was untrustworthy, Powell&#x27;s presentation included information based on the claims of Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed &quot;Curveball&quot;, an Iraqi emigrant living in Germany who also later admitted that his claims had been false.[80] &quot;&quot;&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Iraq_War#Pre-war_events" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Iraq_War#Pre-war_events</a>
reducesuffering大约 1 年前
While the article mentions Bush&#x27;s motivation, I feel it&#x27;s incomplete without the context that 263 &#x2F; 270 (97%!) of US Republican congress voted for this invasion.[0] It wasn&#x27;t some lone White House decision.<p>The House Democrats still had a majority that voted against. (61%)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002#United_States_House_of_Representatives" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Authorization_for_Use_of_Milit...</a>
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ck2大约 1 年前
No rewriting history.<p>The US decimated Iraq (literally) because Bush wanted to put thousands of angry teenagers and 20-somethings onto a battlefield for revenge for 9&#x2F;11 when it was the Saudis all along.<p>All the &quot;intelligence&quot; after that was reverse engineered to make that invasion and war happen.
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Ygg2大约 1 年前
I call BS. They invaded on a Michael Bay level of unbelievablity[1].<p>They invaded cause they wanted to invade.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;uk-news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;jul&#x2F;06&#x2F;movie-plot-the-rock-inspired-mi6-sources-iraqi-weapons-claim-chilcot-report" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;uk-news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;jul&#x2F;06&#x2F;movie-plot-t...</a>
xeromal大约 1 年前
&quot;Coll, an American journalist and author, fought a legal battle to gain access to a tranche of the material which is now the basis for his book, The Achilles Trap: Saddam Hussein, the CIA, and the Origins of America’s Invasion of Iraq.<p>It is a tale of mutual misunderstanding, often told from a western perspective but now, for the first time in depth, from Saddam’s idiosyncratic point of view. The Iraqi dictator believed the CIA to be all-knowing and all-powerful, so assumed George W Bush’s administration knew very well Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction (WMD) left after Saddam ordered their destruction in the 1990s.<p>The threatening rhetoric coming out of Washington was just propaganda, Saddam concluded, as he kept up a pretense of possessing WMD to deter his enemies, Iran in particular.<p>“He was trying to signal his pride and his fear of humiliation and of vulnerability to both internal attacks and potentially external attacks,” Coll said.<p>In apparent moments of doubt, Saddam would occasionally buttonhole ministers to ask if they had hidden any remnants of the nuclear, chemical or biological programmes he started.<p>“Do we have any programmes going on that I don’t know about?” he demanded to know from his deputy prime minister in 1998. He was reassured that everything had been dismantled. &quot;<p>Unbelievable!
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lapcat大约 1 年前
Everyone sane knew at the time that Iraq had no WMD, and this was merely a pretense for invasion. The United Nations weapons inspectors were in Iraq and found absolutely nothing! Because of course there was nothing.<p>The biggest idiots, as usual, were in our government. Or maybe they knew the truth too and just didn&#x27;t care.<p>You had to have known they were full of crap when Rumsfeld said, &quot;We know where they are. They&#x27;re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.&quot; The last sentence would be almost hilarious if it didn&#x27;t lead to so much death and devastation.
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bee_rider大约 1 年前
I guess there’s a whole book about it, so I could look it up if I wasn’t lazy. But I am.<p>I don’t get Saddam’s described point of view here. Even if he assumed the CIA was all-seeing and, as a result, aware that he had canceled his programs, wouldn’t the fact that we were building (from his point of view) an intentionally fabricated case to invade his country indicate that we really intended to invade it? Why would we fabricate a cause to attack him, if we weren’t planning on it?
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iambateman大约 1 年前
I’d say the false pretenses to go to war in Iraq are pretty well understood, now, and there’s no question we were misled by the government.<p>But repainting Saddam as a misunderstood author who had nothing but a desire to preserve well written Arabic is revisionist and wrong.<p>Even the article notes that he randomly suspended a journalist for 6 months for a grammar mistake.<p>America was wrong. Saddam was evil. They can both be true.
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