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The Suicide PhD Candidate Huixiang Chen (2019)

135 点作者 stefanpie大约 1 年前

16 条评论

oezi大约 1 年前
The core issue of academic misconduct is the 1:1 relationship between PhD candidate and mentor. The near absolute power asymmetry makes the PhD candidate near totally dependent on the mentor. If the mentor is abusive there is almost no recourse without the PhD candidate losing everything.<p>It is very sad that Huixiang lost his life over a paternalistic, archaic system. And he isn&#x27;t the only one who was badly impacted.
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account-5大约 1 年前
My limited experience of academia, as an under grad was enough to put me off academia for life. I much prefer doing and learning stuff, practical stuff, than jumping through academic hoops. I&#x27;ll be glad when it&#x27;s done finally. I can&#x27;t imagine bothering with further study after since it all seems more geared towards pretense than anything useful.<p>Obviously this is my opinion based on my experience as an old student who came to it late just to see if had certain things been picked up in school I might have been able to go to university&#x2F;college then. I don&#x27;t know if my life experience has made me jaded by the experience, despite all benefit I have gained from it...
yalok大约 1 年前
Poor guy - very sad story.<p>A reminder not to put one’s work or academic achievements at the very top - they are not worth of loosing the peace of mind and moreover health&#x2F;life.<p>Have to periodically check myself if my priorities are right.<p>It’s a whole skill how to do your best at work, but yet not take it too close to heart and keep hoping in eternal things and not temporal…
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qez大约 1 年前
If you find yourself explaining the intricacies of CNN algorithms in your suicide note, consider that you are too &quot;dug into&quot; a bespoke topic. In 2 years, none of these math problems would be his mind at all.
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mattdano大约 1 年前
Follow up on what happened with the professor:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wuft.org&#x2F;education&#x2F;2021-04-23&#x2F;university-of-florida-professor-resigns-amid-investigations-into-students-suicide?_amp=true" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wuft.org&#x2F;education&#x2F;2021-04-23&#x2F;university-of-flor...</a>
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amir734jj大约 1 年前
As someone who very recently finished his Ph.D. in CS and was working full-time as a software engineer at the same time, I must say that getting a Ph.D. is difficult and takes a lot of willpower and dedication. It&#x27;s not easy. Some people will say this person wastes years learning about this particular obscure problem, some people say this person doesn&#x27;t have industry experience. But after getting a PhD myself, I have a huge respect for anyone who has a PhD. It&#x27;s not easy. Too many times 5 minutes before meeting my advisor I wanted to tell him I wanted to quit or take 1 year off. I was under immense mental pressure and was having similar thoughts because my parents thought I was close to finishing but I was not. I don&#x27;t know this particular person but I feel the pain he went through.
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ken47大约 1 年前
How pervasive is corruption higher academia? The big names (Marc Tessier-Lavigne, Ariely, etc.) will make headlines, but how many more are there that we never hear about? I happen to know a prolific cheater who became a professor at a well-known university. I&#x27;d be surprised if their cheating stopped when they got to university and beyond...
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anta40大约 1 年前
&gt;&gt; But this paper has very severe issues: the design doesn’t make any sense and the reviewers also pay no attention to it. The paper was accepted at no reason which can make anyone feel guilty in this case.<p>After the deadline, crazy modifications of the paper were made and I started to...<p>My understanding:<p>- The paper didn&#x27;t had proper review, yet got accepted. Hmmm.<p>- To save everyone faces, the author did some hacks&#x2F;patches. Unfortunately, it deviated significantly from the original claim.<p>- The supervisor refused to help him.<p>Couldn&#x27;t you just retract your paper? Thus, no need to lie.
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dafty4大约 1 年前
The professor has resigned after being placed on leave, FWIW:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wuft.org&#x2F;education&#x2F;2021-04-23&#x2F;university-of-florida-professor-resigns-amid-investigations-into-students-suicide?_amp=true" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wuft.org&#x2F;education&#x2F;2021-04-23&#x2F;university-of-flor...</a>
mlsu大约 1 年前
I think what&#x27;s so fascinating about academia (really, university life in general) is the juxtaposition of intelligence with the cheating and fraudulent behavior that occurs.<p>I have never, ever cheated in school. I was really surprised when I went to college, with the amount of cheating that went on. A huge proportion of my class would take a shortcut. Get the answers to an assignment from a friend, cheat the clicker, plagiarize. A smaller subset were determined to never honestly do an assignment. Every assignment was approached, first and foremost, with a strategy for how to defraud it.<p>What&#x27;s so interesting is that so many of these cheaters, the worst ones included, were extremely intelligent people. The most capable cheaters were as smart as the honest top of the class. (The slackers, who just wanted the degree, all muddled through with C&#x27;s. Which is fine!). Academic fraud at the highest level, among tenured professors, is the most extreme possible case of this.<p>What gets me is that if you stop and think about fraud, about cheating, for literally a minute, you can only come to the conclusion that it&#x27;s a huge disservice to absolutely everyone. It&#x27;s obviously a disservice to the honest people in your cohort, because it robs them of advancement. It&#x27;s a disservice to you, because you waste time cheating instead of learning -- which only leads to issues down the road, because you need the things you&#x27;re learning about in school.<p>But I think most importantly, it&#x27;s a joyless activity. Any pride you have in your work, passion for what you&#x27;re doing, it&#x27;s all permanently tainted by the fraud. One of the funnest, most enjoyable parts of life, in my mind, is getting really really good at something really really hard, and mastering it. These people are the absolute best. Tao Li, the stories in here [1], the Alzheimer&#x27;s case. I mean I&#x27;m angry about these things of course, but more than anything, it&#x27;s a pity&#x2F;feeling bad for&#x2F;disgust reaction. They wasted their whole lives on getting to the top of the field, only to suck all of the joy out of the achievement by cheating to get there.<p>These people are so clearly gifted. How is it that they cannot make this connection?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39643437">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=39643437</a>
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roschdal大约 1 年前
Competition in academia is so vicious because the stakes are so small.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sayre%27s_law" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sayre%27s_law</a>
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neilv大约 1 年前
This brings up something very important for grad students to know these days, since I&#x27;ve heard of wronged students at various universities over the years...<p>Any grad student who encounters academic dishonesty by their advisor (at least in the US)... First go talk to a lawyer. A lawyer of your own, not connected with the university (except perhaps as an alum). Not a dean, not an ombud, not the kindly professor who&#x27;s a friend to all students, not that other professor who sounded especially forthright in class.<p>Ask the lawyer for a free initial consultation. Where you might find they&#x27;re comfortable handling this situation, or they might recommend a better lawyer for it. They can also talk about how the costs would work for your situation. You can check out a few lawyers this way.<p>Once you have a lawyer, they can advise you how to approach the university, and&#x2F;or approach the university themself, to protect you, and to get the harm to you fixed.<p>Getting a lawyer doesn&#x27;t mean you can&#x27;t work things out with the university, and finish successfully.<p>But if you try to do it on your own, trusting university channels, there will likely be people who don&#x27;t believe you, people who are friends&#x2F;colleagues of the person committing misconduct and not wanting it to be a big deal, people scared of the person&#x27;s influence, and people who will ruthlessly cover up wrongdoing to cover either their own butt or the university&#x27;s. Also, if a dishonest advisor suspects you are a threat, they are in a position to easily ruin your career with impunity, and you don&#x27;t want to gamble on their true character.<p>You need help navigating that.<p>You can come back from this. You just need the the help of a lawyer, so even the sketchiest elements of the university will know they have to take you seriously, and deal with you fairly. And a lawyer can help make sure that they follow through on fixing it.<p>Also, whatever you do, don&#x27;t let yourself be destroyed like this person in the article did. It sounds like he didn&#x27;t feel he had options, was extremely stressed, probably sleep deprived, temporarily disenchanted with the field by the situation, and had been physically threatened. His case was tragic. Don&#x27;t let another tragic case happen. You have more power than you think, and you&#x27;ll feel better about the field and life once this BS is fixed.
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oefrha大约 1 年前
IIRC the 2021 follow-on article was more informative. Discussed at the time:<p><i>A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26211670">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26211670</a> - Feb 2021 (191 comments)
ChrisArchitect大约 1 年前
A follow-up post from 2021 that got some more attention here:<p><i>A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26211670">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26211670</a>
isoprophlex大约 1 年前
Academia: the only winning move is not to play
swatson741大约 1 年前
This guy obviously wasn&#x27;t cut out to do this sort of work. The real question here is was that his advisors intention or his misfortune?