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Ask HN: What's behind all the UK IT failures this month?

26 点作者 0898大约 1 年前
This month we&#x27;ve had McDonald&#x27;s, Sainsbury&#x27;s and now Greggs forced to shut temporarily because their payment systems have gone down.<p>Surely these can&#x27;t be unconnected? Can anyone shed any light on what&#x27;s happening here behind the scenes?

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nonrandomstring大约 1 年前
Politicisation of technology.<p>It&#x27;s a layer 8 problem. Human political expectations of technology are outpacing the engineering reality. Over the past two decades overselling of &quot;utopias&quot; mixed with professional management arrogance and ignoring engineers, experts and what people actually want.<p>That, plus a mixture of crony contracts and bad project management.<p>We&#x27;ve ended up with over-complex systems that we don&#x27;t have the human capacity or money to maintain and secure.<p>A telling remark by a Labour politician to the question &quot;What is the greatest concern about a &#x27;cashless economy&#x27; was &quot;Making sure people are not left behind&quot;.<p>In other words, we&#x27;re forcing this on people whether they want it or not, and whether it works or not. The idea that there might be &quot;risks&quot; or necessary safeguards was simply not conceivable.<p>That&#x27;s what happened with the Post Office Horizon system and it&#x27;s what&#x27;s happening with other new systems pushed out &quot;for our own good&quot;<p>That&#x27;s not a remark against technology or modernisation, it&#x27;s a criticism of bloody-minded recklessness and anti-democratic hubris.<p>Good technology requires care. We talk about it a lot here [0].<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cybershow.uk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cybershow.uk</a>
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jjgreen大约 1 年前
McDonalds, Sainsbury, Tesco, barely matters. But <i>Greggs</i>, that&#x27;s some serious shit depriving people of pies. We need answers.
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password54321大约 1 年前
Work is getting outsourced to India. Most CS grads don’t know how a computer works. People get hired for reasons other than merit. And ChatGPT…
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DarkNova6大约 1 年前
All of these enterprises are examples where IT is a &quot;cost center&quot;, not a &quot;value center&quot;. So you have this conundrum where everything goes smooth and the higher ups ask &quot;why do we spend so much money on this without anything in return?&quot;. And when something does go wrong they are likely to repeat said question.
thinkingemote大约 1 年前
Sainsburys said it was due to an error with &quot;an overnight software update&quot;. Perhaps they all use the same software but updated at different times?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;sainsburys&#x2F;status&#x2F;1768972295622553900" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;sainsburys&#x2F;status&#x2F;1768972295622553900</a>
abulman大约 1 年前
Maybe all the interns that were left in charge didn&#x27;t properly do what the AI had said?
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i_have_an_idea大约 1 年前
Random chance and years of underinvestment and tech debt
usui大约 1 年前
McDonald&#x27;s wasn&#x27;t unique to the UK as it was global. McDonald&#x27;s Japan was affected.
jl6大约 1 年前
They could definitely all be unconnected. It’s not <i>that</i> suspicious. I guess we’ll find out if they ever publish post mortems.
phtrivier大约 1 年前
Do you have sources about the &quot;outages&quot; ? (did not make the headlines internationally..)<p>It they all shut down because of &quot;a payment system&quot;, then a simple explanation would be a failure of... the same payment system that they all happen to use ?<p>(It&#x27;s not like Greggs is going to fully develop a payment system in house without relying on any infra, I suppose ?)
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ksec大约 1 年前
McDonald was worldwide. Sainsbury, Tesco and Greggs seems to be related somehow? At least they are all payment related.
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damvigilante大约 1 年前
Mandatory cert rotation forced by a dependency that had a leak, and they all didn’t handle it properly. (Just a guess)
dsattt大约 1 年前
Probably leetcode.