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Why did we wait so long for the bicycle? (2019)

204 点作者 onychomys大约 1 年前

34 条评论

travisd大约 1 年前
I highly highly highly recommend the book “Two Wheels Good: The History and Mystery of the Bicycle.” It explores the origin, the various social implications across various cultures (it often became a symbol of perversion due to its association with women’s liberation), and even the modern day e-bike movement. 12/10 book, very well written too.
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culebron21大约 1 年前
One point this article misses is the size of the cities. Until mid-1800 cities were at most 1-1.5 km long, usually just 2-3 streets. Just look at old maps of Manchester. The only exceptions were the capitals like London, which were an order of magnitude more populous, but still only 2-5 times bigger in distance.<p>The primary means of transportation was not horse, but feet. You could walk to a destination on the other side of an average city of those times in 15 minutes, so a bike wouldn&#x27;t bring big gains in time.<p>Only in 2nd half of 19th century, cities began growing, and transportation became a problem.
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hx8大约 1 年前
Why didn&#x27;t we make a mass manufactured consumer product before the Industrial Revolution?<p>* The Industrial Revolution increased the number of people with disposable income. The potential market for a new thing was seen as much larger post Industrial Revolution.<p>* Inventing was seen as a much more profitable venture with the possibility of manufacturing behind it. There was a wave of entrepreneurs on the latest hype cycle.<p>* Urbanization helped spread ideas faster. The trains helped connect distant people. Part of the marketing of bicycles is seeing people ride them on the street. Busier streets with more visitors only help spread the word.<p>* Previous levels of material sciences limited the quality of the bike
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scott_s大约 1 年前
I think the author should give more credence to it not being intuitive that people could easily learn to balance on a bicycle. The other examples he gave - horse, canoe - are stable without a rider. If you put a canoe in the water, it will stay upright. Horses, obviously, are stable without a rider. A bicycle without a rider will fall over.<p>I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s obvious that putting a human on a long, two-wheeled vehicle will make it more stable than that vehicle is on its own. I think it&#x27;s also not obvious that most humans can quite easily and quickly learn how to balance a bicycle.
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WalterBright大约 1 年前
I suspect that nobody thought of a 2 wheel design because nobody thought it would be stable. The hinge between the front and back wheel is crucial. Even today, few bicyclists understand how a bicycle is able to turn and remain upright.<p>None of the early designs seemed to have any brakes, making them quite impractical.<p>Without modern steel and machined parts, a bicycle of wood and iron would simply be too heavy.
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maCDzP大约 1 年前
I work as a civil engineer in road construction. I was certain that it was the roads that drove the development of bikes, not the other way around.<p>It’s cool that the bike movement had a role in building roads. And that a political movement can drive technological change.
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agumonkey大约 1 年前
Since I started commuting by bike, I really thought that it would never work without flat roads. The value is in keeping kinetic energy as long as possible. Outside of flattened path in the wild it quickly becomes a burden. Today i could ride a primitive wooden wheel bike.
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JR1427大约 1 年前
I wonder if much is know about the origins of wooden Chukudu scooters of Congo [1]?<p>The wikipedia article states that they date back to only the 1970s, but there does not appear to be any technology reason why they couldn&#x27;t long pre-date that, and they apparently work well on dirt roads that have probably been around for a long time.<p>One article [2] claims they have been used &quot;for centuries&quot; but a quick Google did not find any evidence to back that up, but it does seem plausible.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chukudu#:~:text=5%20External%20links-,History,materials%20of%20nearly%20US%2460" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chukudu#:~:text=5%20External%2...</a>.<p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;oneminutexplore.com&#x2F;the-chukudu-a-timeless-marvel-made-of-african-wood&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;oneminutexplore.com&#x2F;the-chukudu-a-timeless-marvel-ma...</a>
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otabdeveloper4大约 1 年前
The real answer is &quot;ball bearings&quot;.<p>(The medieval wheel was powered by extreme amounts of lubrication.)
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elric大约 1 年前
It&#x27;s not obvious that a bicycle would be in any way better than a carriage. So it makes sense that people tried to improve carriages instead of single riders. If you ignore the pollution aspects of cars, and the problems caused by the sheer number of them, they are a superior mode of transport to bicycles. If I were a 1400s inventor, a 4 wheel carriage with pulleys would seem much more attractive than a 2 wheeled contraption which leaves me exposed to the elements.
chiffre01大约 1 年前
Bicycles require a number of technologies, mass produced steel for example, that weren&#x27;t really around until the 19th century. However something like the flying shuttle probably could have been invented centuries earlier. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Flying_shuttle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Flying_shuttle</a>
inglor_cz大约 1 年前
The intriguing part about that question is that <i>wheelbarrows</i> are a very old technology and people would even transport one another (or their kids) on a wheelbarrow, not just goods. And neither bad roads nor primitive technology stopped them.<p>The idea of moving a burden or a person around using a wheel and human power (no animals) was around for centuries.
WalterBright大约 1 年前
Edison invented the research and development laboratory as a business.<p>The Wright Bros invented the directed research and development program, where:<p>1. the problems were identified<p>2. each problem was solved as a separate effort<p>3. the solutions were combined into a final working project<p>This has been followed ever since. The race to the moon program is probably the finest example of its implementation.
analog31大约 1 年前
My theory: People had nowhere to go. They had a reason to transport goods, but not themselves. They lived on the farms where they worked, or within walking distance of factories, church, etc.
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adr1an大约 1 年前
Also, horses self-drive you home after a long night drinking beers in the tavern.
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zeitgeistcowboy大约 1 年前
It’s because vulcanized rubber tires weren’t available until the 1840s. There is no sub for inflatable tubes and rubber tires. Without it the ride would be very very bumpy for a light frame with two wheels.
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lynguist大约 1 年前
I think it’s an omission to not include the vast improvements that happened to the bicycle after 1888. It wasn’t finished by 1888 with the safety bicycle.<p>Only by the 1860s the fast iteration of bicycles (together with substantial innovations in machine production) started and then went hand in hand with cars and motorcycles.<p>Some huge innovations after the safety bicycle were the derailleurs which continued to be iterated upon well after WW2, when the bicycle as we know it was finished.<p>The bicycle is not simple or obvious at all.
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dang大约 1 年前
Related:<p><i>Why did we wait so long for the bicycle? (2019)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25331858">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25331858</a> - Dec 2020 (83 comments)<p><i>Why did we wait so long for the bicycle?</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20443822">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20443822</a> - July 2019 (492 comments)
dncornholio大约 1 年前
I love fucking bicycles! In the Netherlands, they make the roads safer, they make the neighbourhoods saver, they make people more healthy, they reduce crime, they make people drive more careful.<p>Just by having a lot of people on bicycles instead in closed cars, it creates a whole different society then if everyone would be in cars and I love it.
dools大约 1 年前
The author kind of glosses over the &quot;balance&quot; bit, but I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s a coincidence that the creation of 2 wheeled vehicles coincides with the creation of the first gyroscopes:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gyroscope" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gyroscope</a>
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martyvis大约 1 年前
I got a laugh out of this set of published things that were blamed on bicycles as they became the &quot;in&quot; thing. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;paulisci&#x2F;status&#x2F;1561848479470694403" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;paulisci&#x2F;status&#x2F;1561848479470694403</a>
westcort大约 1 年前
I think the eruption of mount Tambora, in 1816 and ensuring famine was the main impetus for the creation of the bicycle. Think from the perspective of the future:<p>Q: &quot;Why didn&#x27;t they just use solar cells to power their cars instead of using gasoline?&quot;<p>A: &quot;They had almost unlimited access to an energy-dense fuel called petroleum they mined from the earth.&quot;<p>My point is we can imagine many technologies that would serve our needs with much less energy use.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rootsofprogress.org&#x2F;why-did-we-wait-so-long-for-the-bicycle#:~:text=In%20this%20connection%2C%20it%20has,many%20parts%20of%20the%20world" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rootsofprogress.org&#x2F;why-did-we-wait-so-long-for-the-...</a>.
colloydi大约 1 年前
&gt;Fully elucidating these economic and cultural factors is a major future project of this blog<p>One rule of thumb seems to be that a new technology needs to be not merely better but <i>ten times better</i> than the alternative(s) for it to go viral. For instance, James Dyson built a washing machine with twin contrarotating drums. It was significantly better than conventional machines, but not ten times better when all costs were accounted for, e.g. the increased price and its unconventional larger size.
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csours大约 1 年前
I don&#x27;t have time to research and write a good comment right now, but metrology and tolerancing is super important to the modern bicycle.<p>Look up Henry Leland and the progress made in metrology, and look at the time period he worked in.<p>How much variance can you have in a bike chain and still have a bike worth using?<p>I think that would make a VERY good interactive museum experience.
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justforasingle大约 1 年前
I would consider treadmills known to exist as early as 4000BC as an early step towards bicycles. Commonly used for grinding wheat or moving water - possibly even cranes. There both gearing and leg power interact - just gotta apply the force to a set of four wheels and you&#x27;re halfway there.
JoeAltmaier大约 1 年前
Roads.<p>Bicycles are murder on bad roads. You could invent them earlier but probably not convince anybody to ride them?
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Closi大约 1 年前
&gt; The quality of roads is relevant, but not really the answer. Bicycles can be ridden on dirt roads or sidewalks.<p>I mean this is true with a modern bike, but a primitive bike with wooden wheels, no spokes, no gears, no suspension and questionable brakes would be pretty awful on a trail.
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pizzafeelsright大约 1 年前
Loads of bike shedding here.
maxglute大约 1 年前
CTRL+F for locks and found nothing relevant to bicycle secuirty. I assume there&#x27;s some locking or valet system going on
__mharrison__大约 1 年前
And then we haven&#x27;t really seen much innovation in 100 years. Maybe recumbents...
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ErigmolCt大约 1 年前
I&#x27;m thinking bicycle has not finished its development yet
notorandit大约 1 年前
None mentions Leonardo&#x27;s bike. Weird.
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pxeger1大约 1 年前
Even more unbelievable to me is that the idea of wearing a helmet to protect your head while cycling wasn’t invented until 1970
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nokun7大约 1 年前
&gt; The bicycle, as we know it today, was not invented until the late 1800s.<p>Not sure why the article starts off with an incorrect hypothesis. There is evidence of bicycles in the sculptures in at least one Indian &#x2F; Hindu temple Southern India. The temple dedicated to &quot;Panchavarna Swamy&quot; - 5 colored god, was built at least 1500 years old. (dated to the early 7th century by historians)<p>Photo of the bicycle in the temple: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;M1ZAUFf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;M1ZAUFf</a>
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