Amazon owes $525M in cloud-storage patent fight, US jury says

The concept of intellectual property is antithetical to how humans have progressed socially and technologically for millenia.<p>It&#x27;s a wasteful aberration that strangles innovation with red tape and hands control of our culture over to those with the financial mean to claim to own it.<p>The day we wrest back that control will be a good day.

Links to two of the patents that were infringed<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US7103640B1&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US7103640B1&#x2F;en</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US7233978B2&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;US7233978B2&#x2F;en</a><p>I really hope Kove loses, I don&#x27;t know too much about networking, but a few header fields don&#x27;t really seem patentworthy to me.

I looked up the first of the patents. Here&#x27;s its PDF:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ppubs.uspto.gov&#x2F;dirsearch-public&#x2F;print&#x2F;downloadPdf&#x2F;7814180" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ppubs.uspto.gov&#x2F;dirsearch-public&#x2F;print&#x2F;downloadPdf&#x2F;7...</a><p>I&#x27;m not a patent lawyer, just a programmer, but reading just the abstract, this seems to be covering a DNS system that can be configured via an API, which I guess does cover S3, but also, like, almost every other domain-related thing?

Seems like they are patent trolling to me. Hope Amazon wins the appeal. Nightmare for their corporate counsel to have to walk a jury through this and just hope for the best

Amazon should just pay a bunch of people to write down a working implementation of the patent using a pencil and paper. It&#x27;d be a LOT of paper but it would meet the, &quot;if it can be done with a pen and paper&quot; criteria outlined in CLS Bank. It wouldn&#x27;t even be complicated or difficult... Just tedious.

Haven’t got a huge amount of sympathy since Amazon patented 1-click checkout.

I don&#x27;t get it, it is quite obvious that there are many prior art examples. Some easy ones are freenet and gnutella, both predating the patent by months. Even CODA filesystem (1987) checks all their patent claims.

They say don&#x27;t feed the troll haha.<p>But we realized if we feed the troll massive amounts of money then they can come back and pay more legal fees and create a need for our worthless court!<p>Also the life of the startup entrepreneur is just too easy these days. They need to feel more stress that at any moment some rando from Florida can come in crush what they&#x27;ve been working on the last 7 years.

These patent trolls stifle innovation. Literal parasites.

lol this is an insane ruling, there’s no way this will actually happen.

Im still very undecided on software patents and have been since they were first awarded<p>software patents in general are a bad idea imho, go trade secret and never let the ideas enter the public domain.<p>otoh<p>society benefits a lot from good ideas entering the public domain, and the patent system is fairly effective at stopping everyone keeping their secret sauce a secret.<p>Since the US has them, and this decision seems fairly clear cut (or Amazon and google would have got them thrown out as invalid already) about all I can say is congratulations to Kove.

In the future, there will be only two companies. One will hold the patent on walking up a hill, while the other will hold the patent on walking down a hill. The major debate will be whose patent you are violating if you are only halfway up.

Kove owns three data storage patents that it alleges AWS has infringed: U.S. Patent No. 7,103,640 (the &#x27;640 Patent), entitled &quot;Network Distributed Tracking Wire Transfer Protocol&quot;; U.S. Patent No. 7,814,170 (the &#x27;170 Patent), entitled &quot;Network Distributed Tracking Wire Transfer Protocol&quot;; and U.S. Patent No. 7,233,978 (the &#x27;978 Patent), entitled &quot;Method and Apparatus for Managing Location Information in a Network Separate From the Data to Which the Location Information Pertains.&quot;

I innovated and hold patents. I still don&#x27;t know how I feel about patents and copyright.<p>At the end of the day, patents and copyright didn&#x27;t lead to me being rewarded for innovating. I wish there was a better way.<p>Sometimes I wish AI could read everyone&#x27;s claims and report who should be rewarded for what and by how much.

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patents, copyright are ridiculous concepts that no longer make sense in the age of AI and large language models<p>if you do not want somebody copying your idea, cutting the price and cornering the market, then you simply should not put it out in the world at all.<p>behind every patent litigation is the threat of violence pure and simple. violence is the building fabric of everything in the west.<p>the same european colonial attitudes from 15th century that everything can be divided, labelled and sold backed by violence.<p>skin colours, ideologies, copyright, patents are all cut from the same ilk!<p>so much of American concepts are echos of its European colonialism.

Can someone please ELI5: What tech did the patent cover?

Biggest cloud bill ever?

USPTO keep granting software patents despite Alice SCOTUS decision.<p>This is a corrupt administration, that like the European Patent Office, finance itself over the amount of patents it grants.