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Efficient gas boiler with real-time data

47 点作者 pandora-health大约 1 年前
I would like to share with you the real time performance of my condensing gas boiler, managed by SAT and OpenTherm.<p>Many gas boilers are oversized which means it&#x27;s more difficult to run them efficiently. Also, many gas boilers have capability to run more efficiently but are not configured to.<p>This particular boiler does not seem to respect the MM=0 command (despite OpenTherm&#x27;s such specification requirement) which is not uncommon. SAT sends the MM=0 command for the boiler to work at its minimum capacity. CS= minimum_setpoint and then PWM controls the ON&#x2F;OFF times of the boiler. However, I have a workaround which ensures that most of the time, the boiler is indeed working at its minimum modulation, unless the target flow (heating curve + PID) demand is high [higher than current flow temperature] during warm up.<p>The boiler supplies heat to the central heating and domestic hot water tank, but not at the same time. The hot water tank capacity is 255 litres. When DHW call is made, boiler ignores OpenTherm instructions and runs at 80 C degrees. There are three zone valves in the house: Hot Water, Upstairs and Downstairs (not talking about TRVs here). When DHW call is made, Hot Water valve opens, and Upstairs &amp; Downstairs close; then if CH call is made, Hot Water valve closes and the other two open.<p>The hot water system is also fitted with &quot;Waste Water Heat Recovery System&quot;. In essence, the heat energy extracted from showers and baths is used to preheat cold water that is then sent to the hot water tank. The extraction recovers about 60% of heat normally lost. You can watch examples of how it works here - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=G-jKlCoRvEM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=G-jKlCoRvEM</a><p>SAT project - the brain behind the efficiency <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Alexwijn&#x2F;SAT">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Alexwijn&#x2F;SAT</a><p>OpenEnergyMonitor - for making possible to share real time boiler data <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.openenergymonitor.org&#x2F;t&#x2F;my-gas-boiler-data-is-live&#x2F;25733" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.openenergymonitor.org&#x2F;t&#x2F;my-gas-boiler-data...</a><p>Any questions, let me know :)

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blitzar大约 1 年前
&gt; The hot water system is also fitted with &quot;Waste Water Heat Recovery System&quot;<p>I really want one of these - the &gt;40C water going down my drain being replaced with &lt;20C water into my hot water tank keeps me up at night (figuratively). Such an easy win to exchange some of he heat out. It is on my shopping list for the next house &#x2F; next renovation.<p>You should add dhw water temperature sensors to the mix too.
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choffee大约 1 年前
It feels like that is the least that is required at the moment. There should be more effort getting our current boiler stock up to a lot closer to it&#x27;s theoretical COP of 1. At least until they can be replaced with something more efficient. Some focus on tuning boiler settings for performance, maybe some aftermarket controllers to do some of this and display the results.<p>That recoup thing looks really good it always seems a shame to let all that heated water go to waste.
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hn_throwaway_99大约 1 年前
When anyone is talking about a &quot;100% efficient&quot; anything, I really wish they would clearly define what the numerator and denominator are. I just looked at your site and it said &quot;103.4% efficiency in window&quot;. Which is obviously bullshit for how most people define &quot;efficiency&quot;.<p>I think it&#x27;s fine if you define efficiency by some other metric where it can rise above 100%, but if so you should clearly elucidate how.
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pbowyer大约 1 年前
Nice work! I&#x27;m in the UK and just about to get a new 4-pipe gas boiler fitted. Can you share how much adding SAT and OpenTherm cost? I&#x27;ve got HomeAssistant up and running.<p>Edit: Also, is this a new build or did you retrofit your waste water heat recovery system? I&#x27;d like one but in my house the bathrooms are on opposite sides of the house upstairs, so would need to fit one in each and the costs don&#x27;t stack up. If I built a house with the bathrooms backing on to each other it would be a no-brainer.
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pandora-health大约 1 年前
Here are two other boilers I found for comparison:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emoncms.org&#x2F;app&#x2F;view?name=GlowWormBoiler&amp;readkey=88a6c522550d5fd6ffece80a646b4952" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emoncms.org&#x2F;app&#x2F;view?name=GlowWormBoiler&amp;readkey=88a...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emoncms.org&#x2F;app&#x2F;view?name=TomsBoiler&amp;readkey=484aa317fd15cfef28cc3c7a7a2bedd4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;emoncms.org&#x2F;app&#x2F;view?name=TomsBoiler&amp;readkey=484aa31...</a>
boringg大约 1 年前
I have a question for OP. On a total energy used perspective how much are you saving per annum on this setup?<p>I have no doubts about the interest level of it (kudos!) -- and I am curious what the total gains are versus LOE. I have a renovation coming up and I have interests in putting together a lot of custom work but its seems like it would be a labor of love (though it might be end up a project of frustration :) ).
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calvinmorrison大约 1 年前
Did OEMs give away efficiency for reliability (eg, cycling things more frequently?)
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