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How the internet became shit

64 点作者 HermanMartinus大约 1 年前

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keiferski大约 1 年前
When lamenting the &quot;old Internet&quot;, a lot of people forget that the vast majority of the people creating content on it were gainfully employed with strong career security. Meaning that they didn&#x27;t <i>need</i> to make money from their hobbyist online projects, so they didn&#x27;t need to monetize it.<p>This is a lot different from today, where any sort of journalist&#x2F;writer&#x2F;artist&#x2F;filmmaker is basically dependent on making content that sells ads or generates revenue, because their entire industries have gone online, or in many cases, been destroyed by the tech industry itself.<p>It makes me wonder if a sort of &quot;basic income for Internet creators&quot; would work. Instead of individuals trying to optimize their content for maximum income, it would instead work like this: if the group determines that you make great content, you get a small stipend monthly. There are no other expectations or optimization requirements, merely that you continue making the content. Ads are banned. It would be similar to the way tenure works at universities.<p>I doubt this would actually be successful organically, but it could work as a collective Kickstarter or nonprofit sort of thing.
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KingOfCoders大约 1 年前
I don&#x27;t know, I came to the internet (IRC&#x2F;News) ~1990 and the WWW ~1993, when I wrote my first &quot;homepage&quot;. I lived through the dotcom boom ~2000 with my own startup.<p>Sure internet was great back then, but I find it great today too. I create my own content on the internet just like 10 or 20 years ago on my website. I talk to people who send me an email about content on my website. I meet great people on LinkedIn.<p>I&#x27;m not on Facebook and practically left Twitter.<p>I assume like in other contexts people imagine a past that never existe
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tempsy大约 1 年前
I feel like this applies to more than just the internet.<p>New construction houses are crap quality. Restaurant food quality seems like it&#x27;s gotten worse and much more expensive.<p>But yes Google is probably the best example of this...type in any shopping term and Google search basically turns into a more cluttered Amazon search result page.
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zero-sharp大约 1 年前
I&#x27;m just confused about how the average person is supposed to navigate the internet. Is the assumption now that everybody knows about ad blocking plugins?
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janandonly大约 1 年前
I agree that adds not only are annoying but that companies that capture an audience first and then introduce adds are crowding out more sustainable companies that don’t rely on ads but maybe on subscriptions.<p>Anyhow, as the internet slides ever deeper, the small web gets more fun every day. Now people may not blog as we did in the ‘00, but boy, do we micro blog on nostr as if we just discovered twitter for the first time.<p>It seems someone invents something new every other week when I’m on Nostr. It helps to follow hundreds of people (to avoid the echo chamber effect). Ands it’s an open protocol so nobody can stop anybody from just trying out goofy stuff. I love it.
quasarj大约 1 年前
Is there really a good, working, add blocker for iOS? The one I use works some of the time, but often gets detected and blocked-back by sites...
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JohnMakin大约 1 年前
Honestly, the phase we&#x27;re in right now reminds me a LOT of the dot-com bubble burst. Low interest rates, tons of venture capital, companies hemorhaging cash and still skyrocketing their valuation, and from what I recall (I know memory can be faulty) towards the end of the bubble as companies got desperate to generate revenue we started to see nigh-unusable ad-riddled pages that looked very much like what we see these days.<p>Even though it&#x27;d be bad for me personally and for my career, I do hope the bubble bursts soon. There is no chance this is sustainable.
pmarreck大约 1 年前
It&#x27;s too bad that bearblog has no discussion of each article, but I suppose that&#x27;s considered a feature, not a bug
boomboomsubban大约 1 年前
This feels more like an advertisement for bearblog than a meaningful critique. &quot;Have you heard of enshittification? Well I guarantee my free product won&#x27;t go that way. Sign up today!&quot;
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xbpx大约 1 年前
You ever drive down a main drag of any town or city pretty much anywhere that has a fairly unregulated capitalist system? Advertising everywhere. Signage. People dressed as hotdogs paid a few bucks an hour to wave a sign shaped like a ketchup bottle.<p>The mystery to me is why this group of early web pioneers thought it could be any different.<p>Enshitification isn&#x27;t new, it&#x27;s not even different from &quot;making money and maximizing the bottom line&quot;. Capitalism is creative destruction driven by distributed profit seeking along the edges of relatively immobile statist and corporate oligopolistic structures.<p>This always involves cycles of enshitification that end in bottom feeding until extinguished by new techno-social revolutions.<p>GenXers were talking about the enshitification of main street with the spread of big box stores and malls in the 80s and 90s. Same system, same process, new generation.
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fsckboy大约 1 年前
I was surprised where that piece went, because I was thinking about enshittification from the other direction. Where he goes is &quot;people now search reddit instead of google to get higher quality results because less monetizing.&quot; But what I had in mind in terms of the internet becoming shit is, how did reddit become so shitty compared to where reddit started? And my expected answer was going to be in the direction of &quot;eternal september&quot;.
epalm大约 1 年前
&gt; companies that offer a free service but start charging once they&#x27;ve locked in a client-base (I&#x27;m looking at you Heroku).<p>I don’t know much about Heroku, or if it’s been enshittified (yet?), but a company that offers a free product and somewhere down the line starts charging for it sounds fine to me.<p>And anyone who believed a product produced by real people working at a real company could be free forever was kidding themselves.<p>(In general though I agree with the sentiment of the article.)
2OEH8eoCRo0大约 1 年前
Enshittification isn&#x27;t just when things turn crappy, it&#x27;s a 3-step process.<p>Corner the market by providing good service to business users and consumers.<p>Abuse your users because there aren&#x27;t many other choices.<p>Abuse your business users.
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godelski大约 1 年前
I&#x27;ll tell you why the internet became shit: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.<p>No, seriously. There&#x27;s no one big thing or even a bunch of big things. Instead it is a ton of little things that accumulate over decades. While this video is about voting[0], it is better we recognize that voting is actually about social choice. The crazy thing is that we can continually attempt to maximize our own objectives and because we live in a many player system this strategy can lead to a worse setting than where we began.<p>I want that to sink in. Because, we like to paint people to be evil (there&#x27;s definitely clear cases) but most of the time there&#x27;s no conspiracy and it is just the nature of a chaotic system and our strategies. Our world is complex enough that we can no longer employ strategies where we only consider the optimization objectives of us and our immediate allies. To optimize our objectives we need to actually consider those far from (i.e. people we disagree with) us and actually work with them in some capacity.<p>The article brings up Reddit, so I&#x27;ll use it as an example (and goes for HN too). Lots of people even try to be helpful and will write comments (maybe this is for themselves too), but you&#x27;ll often see a long chain of nearly identical comments&#x2F;replies that aren&#x27;t done in a joke. They&#x27;re simply done because people didn&#x27;t read the other replies before replying themselves (sometimes there are collisions), and the more this happens the more likely people are not going to read all the replies. Momentum is one hell of a force.<p>You&#x27;ll also see naive and wrong comments float to the top while detailed correct comments are lost in the sea (I&#x27;m not saying my conjecture is correct, but you can see this phenomena on any subreddit in your domain expertise unless it is very niche). Just because people are trying to be helpful, might stroke their own ego because they presume correctness, and others reading can validate because it sounds reasonable. I mean how often do we hear for calls of debate? Debate isn&#x27;t a means to get to objective truths, though it can be useful in matters that have no objective truths (e.g. this meta discussion itself). Truth has a lower bound in complexity, but we don&#x27;t like complexity and we don&#x27;t like chaos. We like conspiracies because we fear the chaos so much, because it is better to have evil men in charge than no one at the wheel. But I&#x27;m claiming a significant part of enshitification is due to the latter. That we can reduce it if we coordinate better by not just looking for our own&#x2F;local gains.<p>Yeah, you could say that I&#x27;m even doing it as I&#x27;m writing here. Hard to tell. But I&#x27;ll also welcome disagreement to my comments and we can discuss. I think things will always be noisy but it&#x27;s working through and with that noise that gets us further. There are no global optimas in large solution spaces like these, so there&#x27;ll always be critiques and trade-offs. Which we could say is damning, or we can see as a blessing as it gives more spice to life and allow us to adapt to the dynamic state of things where the importance of those differences is ever changing.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=goQ4ii-zBMw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=goQ4ii-zBMw</a>
banish-m4大约 1 年前
Documented here &#x2F;s <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;internetofshit" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;internetofshit</a>