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NASA Veteran's Propellantless Propulsion Drive That Physics Says Shouldn't Work

38 点作者 DanielBMarkham大约 1 年前

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rapjr9大约 1 年前
A lot of people here seem to be missing that Buhler is a _current_ research scientist at NASA, leading the Electrostatics and Surface Physics Laboratory at Kennedy. Here&#x27;s a 2022 paper he is an author on:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ntrs.nasa.gov&#x2F;api&#x2F;citations&#x2F;20220007230&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;FinalManuscript-Electrostatic%20charging%20of%20the%20lunar%20surface-ICES%202022.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ntrs.nasa.gov&#x2F;api&#x2F;citations&#x2F;20220007230&#x2F;downloads&#x2F;Fi...</a><p>Here&#x27;s an article on the NASA web site from April 10, 2024 quoting him:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nasa.gov&#x2F;centers-and-facilities&#x2F;kennedy&#x2F;nasa-technology-helps-guard-against-lunar-dust&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nasa.gov&#x2F;centers-and-facilities&#x2F;kennedy&#x2F;nasa-tec...</a><p>which says he is a lead researcher on the Electrodynamic Dust Shield project at NASA. Here&#x27;s a similar article quoting him:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;interestingengineering.com&#x2F;innovation&#x2F;nasa-eds-technology-moon-dust" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;interestingengineering.com&#x2F;innovation&#x2F;nasa-eds-techn...</a><p>He&#x27;s playing with alternative propulsion engineering on his own as a side project. If you watch the video of his presentation at APEC he says two groups have replicated some of his work. He&#x27;s tested it in a vacuum. He has not tested it in space but would like to. Maybe that will make the effect disappear. But he&#x27;s a leading expert on electrostatics at NASA, currently working for NASA, and he thinks this is real and he&#x27;s been playing with it for a long time. He says it is trivial to reproduce, you need like $10 worth of material (more to do it in a vacuum). It&#x27;s hard to see why he would make false claims and jeopardize his day job.
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eig大约 1 年前
This triggers all the sketchy science alarms:<p>-New fundamental force<p>-Explains warp drive (??)<p>-Requires exquisite measurement methods and cancelling out all other interfering forces (which inevitably they won’t do well)<p>-Ex-big institute head scientist to lend credence<p>-No supporting scientific papers in a reputed journal<p>-Big claim of legitimacy based on a <i>patent</i> being granted<p>This is far sketchier than even Ranga Das’s superconductivity claims.
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NegativeK大约 1 年前
I&#x27;m sorry -- it&#x27;s much, much more likely that this guy is wildly wrong than him actually finding 1G reactionless engine thrust. It&#x27;s bad science to outright declare his stuff to be impossible, but it&#x27;s not bad science to say that I&#x27;m not going to spend time on it until he has demos that are being reproduced by others.<p>Also, I hope he&#x27;s wrong. Reactionless drives in space are potential civilization destroyers.
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bragr大约 1 年前
I think it&#x27;s pretty telling that this guy using his knowledge of electrostatics as a shield, when the experimental failure of previous reactionless drives have come down to magnetism, especially interaction with the Earth&#x27;s magnetic field. NASA has a excellent mu-metal shielded vacuum chamber for debunking reactionless concepts. Stick it in there, and let&#x27;s talk if it shows some results.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;nasas-em-drive-is-a-magnetic-wtf-thruster&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;nasas-em-drive-is-a-...</a>
macrael大约 1 年前
Never a good sign when you have a line in your slides that says “Alien spacecraft are made to be very light. Why?”<p>He mentions aliens multiple times. Not a good sign when claiming to have discovered a new force coming out of a static electric charge.
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simne大约 1 年前
What I see here.<p>Crookes radiometer don&#x27;t work in really high vacuum, which is not cheap, if do all things with boring rules.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Crookes_radiometer" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Crookes_radiometer</a><p>Without rules, high vacuum is achievable on just ~150km, with amateur rocket, I hear in US somewhere about thousand dollars for sub-orbital launch (smallest orbital rocket cost about million).<p>For example in electronic microscope also used high vacuum, and such microscope usually cost about million dollars and as I remember, it need about tens hours to achieve such high vacuum, so could easy calculate, about thousand experiments in 3-4 years (accounting amortization period for high cost equipment), and also each experiment will cost about thousand dollars without interest rate.<p>I think, he is typical NASA scientist, bored at his work and have spare money to play game with fake patent.<p>As NASA worker, he really have possibility to place his experiments in high vacuum chamber, and I&#x27;m sure he have experience and seen nothing.<p>And I&#x27;m sure, he understand well, mentioned in patent configuration is very hard to research, and very easy to accidentally achieve some extraordinary results.<p>But you, humble reader, don&#x27;t have such opportunities, but you could donate to him for his crazy experiments.
GlibMonkeyDeath大约 1 年前
It&#x27;s a slow Saturday morning, so I actually watched most of his YouTube presentation (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DJjPi7uZ2OI&amp;t=3696s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DJjPi7uZ2OI&amp;t=3696s</a> I stopped at the Q&amp;A where they started going off about UFOs...) He claims that the dU&#x2F;dx in an asymmetric capacitor (a spatial gradient in internal energy) leads to a net overall force on the center of mass. If that were true in this system, then two different springs under compression would also have a net force on the center of mass. Or two adjacent, differently pressured vessels. It&#x27;s just wrong. There is no net change in momentum happening in this system.<p>His &quot;quantum&quot; explanations are even worse (just some hand-wavy BS with the fine structure constant thrown in.)<p>I don&#x27;t doubt he has managed to generate 1 g of electrostatic force on a charged object - but that force has to be reacted against something else. Otherwise Newton would be spinning at an ever-accelerating rate in his grave.
clarkmcc大约 1 年前
For someone that is smarter than me, here’s his patent <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;WO2020159603A2&#x2F;en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patents.google.com&#x2F;patent&#x2F;WO2020159603A2&#x2F;en</a>
m0llusk大约 1 年前
Even if this thing turns out to be slamming some kinds of particle out the back it could still be a quite useful drive system.
kcartlidge大约 1 年前
Reading the article and skimming the patent, whilst the explanation differs slightly the basic setup seems to just be the Biefield-Brown Effect. A heavily charged electrical condenser tends to exhibit motion towards it&#x27;s positive pole.<p>I&#x27;m not a physicist and don&#x27;t know if this is ion wind, if it works in a vacuum, or if this (and the Biefield-Brown Effect) is just dodgy science. Merely saying that the <i>claims</i> seem similar enough that it feels like nothing new.<p>There&#x27;s videos of Biefield-Brown devices (&quot;<i>lifters</i>&quot;) online, eg: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=yVVJwObmTAk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=yVVJwObmTAk</a>
sema4hacker大约 1 年前
I only skimmed the story because it&#x27;s so padded with fluff, but is his current device around 30 to 40 grams?
pengaru大约 1 年前
fortunately it&#x27;s never been easier to put something in space and see what it does
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WithinReason大约 1 年前
All of this has happened before and will happen again:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;EmDrive" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;EmDrive</a>
FrustratedMonky大约 1 年前
The presentation.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DJjPi7uZ2OI&amp;t=3696s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DJjPi7uZ2OI&amp;t=3696s</a>
neutered_knot大约 1 年前
I want to believe.