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Two lifeforms merge in once-in-a-billion-years evolutionary event

291 点作者 awb大约 1 年前

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mysterypie大约 1 年前
&gt; <i>The first occurred about 2.2 billion years ago, when an archaea swallowed a bacterium that became the mitochondria. The second time happened about 1.6 billion years ago, when cells absorbed cyanobacteria that became chloroplasts.</i><p>How was it possible that I could take 3 years of high school biology and not have heard that one lifeform absorbing another lifeform was responsible for these amazing new capabilities? We learned about mitochondria and chloroplasts, but in a very dry way. Primary education could be so much more interesting to kids with context like this.
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borisk大约 1 年前
The first symbiotic event was a million times harder than the 2nd or the 3rd. The first time the host had the extremely hard task of dealing with any DNA and RNA produced by the guest during it&#x27;s life and death. The host had to evolve stuff like a cell nucleaus and sex to live through it and alternative splicing to deal with the fact that all it&#x27;s genes were damaged by selfish genetic elements that came from the guest. Integrating any later symbionts is still hard, but not nearly as hard.<p>It&#x27;s possible that the first symbiosis that let to the origin of the eukaryotes is not a one in a billion years event, but one in a trillion or one in 10^20 years or ever rarer. That is it may be that in a billion planets with simple life forms only one &quot;creates&quot; complex life like animals. It can be the great filter that leads to the Fermi paradox.
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yosito大约 1 年前
The headline makes it sound like this happened last week, but it actually happened 100 million years ago, and we&#x27;re just now discovering it.
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nneonneo大约 1 年前
Check out the algae in question: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Braarudosphaera_bigelowii" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Braarudosphaera_bigelowii</a><p>It surrounds itself with twelve pentaliths, forming a perfect dodecahedron! This is such an incredibly cool organism.
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kkylin大约 1 年前
Primary sources:<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cell.com&#x2F;cell&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;S0092-8674(24)00182-X.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cell.com&#x2F;cell&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;S0092-8674(24)00182-X.pdf</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;38603509&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;38603509&#x2F;</a><p>There&#x27;s also a press release from LBL:<p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newscenter.lbl.gov&#x2F;2024&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;scientists-discover-first-nitrogen-fixing-organelle&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newscenter.lbl.gov&#x2F;2024&#x2F;04&#x2F;17&#x2F;scientists-discover-fi...</a><p>[1] is open access.
personjerry大约 1 年前
What&#x27;s more likely, it happens once in a billion years and we happened to catch the exact specimens doing it? Or it happens a lot more often and we happened to catch an instance of it, but it&#x27;s usually not as impactful or memorable as the mentioned instances?<p>Terrible sensationalist reporting.
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koeng大约 1 年前
Hmmmm, I don&#x27;t know if I buy their claim of primary endosymbiosis being so rare.<p>Almost all insects have heritable endosymbionts. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.3389&#x2F;fphys.2013.00046" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.3389&#x2F;fphys.2013.00046</a>
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riwsky大约 1 年前
Witness the power of dependency injection
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airstrike大约 1 年前
Arguably a better source was posted here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40101317">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40101317</a> but no discussion there
kaba0大约 1 年前
Favor composition over inheritance.
temp0826大约 1 年前
Maybe just bad article or I&#x27;m not fully getting it... So when this algae reproduces, do the offspring contain the new organelle? Article mentions something about dumping old DNA, but does it incorporate the DNA of the bacterium in the process? Not a biologist by any stretch
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hgo大约 1 年前
Here&#x27;s an interesting video about a type of Maize that can also create its own &quot;bound&quot; Nitrogen <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CFyd-kC6IUw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=CFyd-kC6IUw</a>
akozak大约 1 年前
Nice. We&#x27;ll have to check back in 10 million years to see how it went.
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sethammons大约 1 年前
&gt; It appears that this began to evolve around 100 million years ago, which sounds like an incredibly long time but is a blink of an eye compared to mitochondria and chloroplasts.<p>From the title, I assumed they saw the genius of this extremely rare event. Very new in terms of life on Earth, but not something that first happened this year.
abrookewood大约 1 年前
Who new science could be so humorous: &quot;Imagine if kidneys were actually little animals running around, and humans had to manually filter their blood through a dialysis machine. Then one day some guy somehow gets one of these kidney critters stuck... Internally (who are we to judge how?)&quot;
alex_young大约 1 年前
Isn’t the placenta an example of this? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;whyy.org&#x2F;segments&#x2F;the-placenta-went-viral-and-protomammals-were-born&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;whyy.org&#x2F;segments&#x2F;the-placenta-went-viral-and-protom...</a>
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lamontcg大约 1 年前
Seems the N2-fixation is limited by CO2-fixation. Be a bit weird if it wasn&#x27;t and they sucked all the N2 out of the atmosphere. Atmosphere would get a bit spicy and flammable.
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ChrisArchitect大约 1 年前
[dupe]<p>More discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40011438">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=40011438</a>
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bithead大约 1 年前
If other plants get in to this ability it could revolutionize agriculture. Also, will tank the fertilizer industry.
methuselah_in大约 1 年前
Well not far when plastic will be part of your blood stream and new organisms will eat it as well
wolverine876大约 1 年前
The <i>Cell</i> paper uses the heading &quot;Summary&quot; rather than &quot;Abstract&quot;. When and where and why did that change? I don&#x27;t see it in other papers and in other links for this paper. Maybe I don&#x27;t read Cell enough?