Chinese students in US tell of 'chilling' interrogations and deportations

Don&#x27;t really see why that&#x27;s surprising.<p>If you are from:<p>- China<p>- Russia<p>- Iran<p>- North-Korea<p>- Pakistan<p>And some other countries, you should absolutely expect full to be under full scrutiny if you plan on working with anything related to research and development (which includes academia), infrastructure, or anything that poses a national security risk.<p>The cold hard truth is that (<i>especially</i>) those nations send operatives and assets to western countries, for the single reason of espionage and intelligence gathering. This is such a known problem that said countries tend to send their people via proxy countries.<p>Of course, these agencies and people are not amateurs - and blending in by the numbers is just one way to make it harder to get caught, and unfortunately means legitimate people will have a harder time to get in.

<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.voanews.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;us-beijing-aim-to-boost-number-of-american-students-in-china-&#x2F;7569316.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.voanews.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;us-beijing-aim-to-boost-number-o...</a><p>These days, only about 700 American students are studying at Chinese universities, down from a peak of close to 25,000 a decade ago, while there are nearly 300,000 Chinese students at U.S. schools.<p>To add just a bit of context.<p>I’m sure that foreign students have no restrictions placed on entry to the country, places visited nor are there any restrictions on topics studied or on publication or research.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.voanews.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;british-documentary-alleges-china-influences-universities-spies-on-hong-kongers-in-uk&#x2F;7379777.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.voanews.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;british-documentary-alleges-chin...</a>

It&#x27;s surprising how few Chinese people study in America. With a population 1&#x2F;14th of America, Australia has 150,000 Chinese students.<p>The US entry refusals should be familiar fare to Chinese citizens though, as their Govt employs stochastic enforcement all the time, including for censorship and as part of trade disputes.<p>It sucks for the individuals, but this really isn&#x27;t about them, it&#x27;s about the CCP and it&#x27;s ongoing campaign of industrial espionage and global surveillance.<p>It is likely a number of &#x27;students&#x27; were also part of the diaspora surveillance network, routinely reporting back about the behaviour of overseas Chinese citizens and especially minorities.

The CCP really did a number on perception here with their thousand talents program and the naked espionage efforts.<p>It is not right if this is racial profiling but the blame for it is on the CCP. The article itself mentions that the numbers affected are a fraction of total Chinese students so I’m inclined to believe it is not racial in nature. It is more a response to Chinese pillaging of Western intellectual property, explicitly in the service of overtaking&#x2F;dethroning the West.<p>Another example of what we as open society citizens must deal with, how do we tackle such issues without sacrificing our values.

&gt; X Edward Guo, a professor of biomedical engineering at Columbia University, said that part of the problem is that, unlike in the US, military research does sometimes take place on university campuses. “<p>Yes those dastardly Chinese universities which do military research on campus, unlike in the good old US.<p>Of course this is ridiculous, military research is happening on campuses all the time. The Internet I&#x27;m sending this through was a DARPA project, never mind the thousands of even more military specific research projects at universities. In fact there are a host of laws requiring the US military on US campuses ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pbs.org&#x2F;newshour&#x2F;show&#x2F;high-court-rules-in-favor-of-military-recruitment-on-campus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pbs.org&#x2F;newshour&#x2F;show&#x2F;high-court-rules-in-favor-...</a> )

As long as it’s aimed at people with Chinese citizenship and not anyone that looks remotely Chinese (e.g. Singaporeans, Koreans, etc), I’m not too concerned. They do have laws that force us to look more closely without devolving into pure racism.

As open is America with academics and western countries, other countries are just not that open. Until the feeling of grab only and don&#x27;t give back it&#x27;s horrible. Take example of Linux just half of developing countries hardly contribute. Best example is aosp. People want to have roms but don&#x27;t want to pay

I dont even know where to start with this article.<p>They added in the wif of racism with the covid tie in just to make it sensational.<p>We do have a score board for this you know:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_Chinese_spy_cases_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_Chinese_spy_cases_in_t...</a><p>VS<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2010–2012_killing_of_CIA_sources_in_China" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2010–2012_killing_of_CIA_sourc...</a><p>Also note, that Americans were getting their shit taken and copied at the border forever. The border being a no rights zone has been an issue that nerds have been vocal about since the days of slashdot... Dont act shocked cause your Chinese and its happening, we do it to our own people too.

A border &#x2F; customs officer in any part of the world is not interested in doing any more work than they absolutely have to. Tell them what they need to hear in order to let you be on your way and everyone will be happier for it.

&gt; part of the problem is that, unlike in the US, military research does sometimes take place on university campuses.<p>Oddly misleading, military research definitely takes place at US universities.

I&#x27;m honestly a bit appalled by the comments here. Do people nlt see that it&#x27;s wrong to discriminate an entire ethnicity because of certain bad actors? Is it alright to discriminate against black or marginalized people because a few are violent??<p>A lot of people also didn&#x27;t read the article I think, this stretches beyond students to professors who have been working here for decades. Even my mother, who works in astrophysics can no longer collaborate with Chinese universities on <i>astrophysics</i> unless she wants suspicion.<p>I hope this fervor can end soon and we can once again separate science from politics. Even in the cold war science was not racialized in this way.<p>Another minor note, these students very much fund most of our universities and serve as brain-drain that is beneficial to us. Once again I&#x27;m pretty appalled by this comment section...